zoser Posted June 8, 2012 #1 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Unidentified object causes panic, but is there a rational explanation? http://www.rt.com/news/israel-ufo-missile-337/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted June 8, 2012 #2 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Just at a glance it looked like a meteorite disintegrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Meadows Posted June 8, 2012 #3 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Well this exact same thing happened in Norway and they said it was a missle gone wrong, so most likely that is what this is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted June 8, 2012 #4 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Looks like a (failed) ballistic missile launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted June 8, 2012 #5 Share Posted June 8, 2012 It's just them testing the missiles they will use on Iran....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimOberg Posted June 8, 2012 #6 Share Posted June 8, 2012 From my private advisory message: 4. First -- disregard EVERYTHING the experts are saying about the 'spiral' being caused by a failed rocket tumbling out of control. 5. The 'spiral' does NOT look to me to be a sign of a "failed missile test" -- it has been a common visual feature of Russian missile launches for more than thirty years and seems associated with a roll maneuver to 'dump' unwanted surplus thrust for short-range test flights. Since you can't shut down a solid fuel rocket early, you need to find a way to 'dump' thrust so you don't overshoot a target. 6. One way is to open portals on the sides of the rocket as it burns -- sending much of the thrust out to the sides. Two opposite facing portals are usually installed, to counterbalance the thrust and not knock it off course. 7. A careful analysis of the infamous 'Norway spiral' several years ago shows TWIN plumes emerging from the central object, in opposite directions. 8. An alternate method is just to pitch the rocket off 'straight ahead' and then corkscrew, so as to spray some of the thrust off to the sides and keep your speed down to what you really need. 9. Otherwise you'll overshoot your intended target. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted June 8, 2012 #7 Share Posted June 8, 2012 From my private advisory message: 4. First -- disregard EVERYTHING the experts are saying about the 'spiral' being caused by a failed rocket tumbling out of control. 5. The 'spiral' does NOT look to me to be a sign of a "failed missile test" -- it has been a common visual feature of Russian missile launches for more than thirty years and seems associated with a roll maneuver to 'dump' unwanted surplus thrust for short-range test flights. Since you can't shut down a solid fuel rocket early, you need to find a way to 'dump' thrust so you don't overshoot a target. 6. One way is to open portals on the sides of the rocket as it burns -- sending much of the thrust out to the sides. Two opposite facing portals are usually installed, to counterbalance the thrust and not knock it off course. 7. A careful analysis of the infamous 'Norway spiral' several years ago shows TWIN plumes emerging from the central object, in opposite directions. 8. An alternate method is just to pitch the rocket off 'straight ahead' and then corkscrew, so as to spray some of the thrust off to the sides and keep your speed down to what you really need. 9. Otherwise you'll overshoot your intended target. So what in your opinion where the Russians doing? Could it be they where using a spylane? (which unloaded the unwanted surplus) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean6 Posted June 8, 2012 #8 Share Posted June 8, 2012 it was just a test: http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/08/12114090-ufo-widely-seen-in-middle-east-skies-linked-to-russian-missile-test?lite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Waffles Posted June 8, 2012 #9 Share Posted June 8, 2012 oh dear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted June 8, 2012 #10 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Thanks for posting, Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimOberg Posted June 8, 2012 #11 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Thanks for posting, Jim. I'm always interested in other interpretations -- good quality debates hereabouts... In Soviet days, these launches weren't announced. Ever. Even after. So you've got to wonder, in years past, how many similar sightings in the Middle East and elsewhere were made of similar 'light shows' -- but they went without explanation. They would have been 'UFOs'. Maybe? But US military intelligence would have KNOWN such reports could have been connected with top secret Soviet missile tests. They would want to collect all such reports. Military attaches in countries bordering the USSR would have been tasked to collect and forward all such reports for analysis regarding the insights they could provide about the missile tests themselves. So the DoD's interest in "UFO reports" would have NOTHING to do with 'true UFOs' -- but with what the real cause of the 'UFO repoerts' were, Soviet missile tests like this one. But they wouldn't have wanted the Soviets to realize how much such reports were helping analysts. That explains a lot. This event helps underscore that connection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted June 8, 2012 Author #12 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I'm always interested in other interpretations -- good quality debates hereabouts... In Soviet days, these launches weren't announced. Ever. Even after. So you've got to wonder, in years past, how many similar sightings in the Middle East and elsewhere were made of similar 'light shows' -- but they went without explanation. They would have been 'UFOs'. Maybe? But US military intelligence would have KNOWN such reports could have been connected with top secret Soviet missile tests. They would want to collect all such reports. Military attaches in countries bordering the USSR would have been tasked to collect and forward all such reports for analysis regarding the insights they could provide about the missile tests themselves. So the DoD's interest in "UFO reports" would have NOTHING to do with 'true UFOs' -- but with what the real cause of the 'UFO repoerts' were, Soviet missile tests like this one. But they wouldn't have wanted the Soviets to realize how much such reports were helping analysts. That explains a lot. This event helps underscore that connection. So if I understand you correctly the Russians were testing a missile over Israeli or Middle East air space? Is that normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanVonErich Posted June 8, 2012 #13 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Great posts, mr. Oberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidKn13ght Posted June 8, 2012 #14 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Thats just a bad missle launch...ofcourse theres no reports of operations by any military... because none of those countries want media attention to their daily street wars....but then again.. supposivly the ufos get more commom when its closer to our end times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimOberg Posted June 8, 2012 #15 Share Posted June 8, 2012 So if I understand you correctly the Russians were testing a missile over Israeli or Middle East air space? Is that normal? You're trying too hard to NOT understand. People in the Middle East saw a Russian missile flying hundreds of miles above Kazakhstan. They just misjudged its distance. This happens all the time with UFO reports, you know. This is an example that can teach us about that. We know the apparition was NE of observers in the Middle East, because even observers in the Caucasus saw it in the northeastern sky -- NOT south of them over the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimOberg Posted June 8, 2012 #16 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Thats just a bad missle launch...ofcourse theres no reports of operations by any military... because none of those countries want media attention to their daily street wars....but then again.. supposivly the ufos get more commom when its closer to our end times... Please open your eyes and your mind. The rocket launching was immediately announced in Moscow and was shown on Moscow TV. There is no indication that anything 'went wrong' with the flight. Spirals have been observed during last-stage operation of Soviet/Russian rockets for more than 30 years, they are NOT a sign of failure. All these facts are findable on the Internet, please free yourself from misinformation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted June 8, 2012 Author #17 Share Posted June 8, 2012 You're trying too hard to NOT understand. People in the Middle East saw a Russian missile flying hundreds of miles above Kazakhstan. They just misjudged its distance. This happens all the time with UFO reports, you know. This is an example that can teach us about that. We know the apparition was NE of observers in the Middle East, because even observers in the Caucasus saw it in the northeastern sky -- NOT south of them over the Middle East. Your total certainty about this is a little disarming to say the least. I'm not sold on the idea that a missile in Kazakhstan or Astrakhan can be seen from Israel. And BTW both are well north and east of the Caucus mountains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Jacket Posted June 8, 2012 #18 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Personally, I don't think any of these types of sightings are missiles. This is definitely something strange. It has been seen over New zealand, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimOberg Posted June 8, 2012 #19 Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) Your total certainty about this is a little disarming to say the least. I'm not sold on the idea that a missile in Kazakhstan or Astrakhan can be seen from Israel. And BTW both are well north and east of the Caucus mountains Well, reality goes on existing whatever any of us THINK it should do, so how far away do you think a missile plume CAN be observed under optimum conditions? At the very start, are you satisfied that the plume would have been: a) above the horizon as seen from Israel sunlit c) of noticeable angular size All of these questions are subject to quantitative analysis. Please check them out. Edited June 8, 2012 by JimOberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soupy Posted June 8, 2012 #20 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Its a giant hypnotising device, it subliminally told you all this is just a failed rocket go back to sleep sheeple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienDan Posted June 8, 2012 #21 Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) A lot of people just seem to not be able to process the fact that strange things can have such simple explanations. ITS A ROCKET Edited June 8, 2012 by AlienDan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted June 8, 2012 #22 Share Posted June 8, 2012 You think people who are after the truth will fall for your trickery AlienDan!?!? And Jim!? Obvious government agents here to mislead the truth seekers!!! Methinks the aliens may have visited and abducted a few brains... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csspwns Posted June 9, 2012 #23 Share Posted June 9, 2012 russia scared me with a missile mommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONTEATUS Posted June 9, 2012 #24 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Yep ! sums it up in a Nut basket ! Jim is right on ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted June 9, 2012 Author #25 Share Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) Well, reality goes on existing whatever any of us THINK it should do, so how far away do you think a missile plume CAN be observed under optimum conditions? At the very start, are you satisfied that the plume would have been: a) above the horizon as seen from Israel sunlit c) of noticeable angular size All of these questions are subject to quantitative analysis. Please check them out. Check them out how? How do you account for the similar sightings over New Zealand, totally remote from anything the Russians are doing! Ufology is a different world completely to the laboratory. Welcome to the forum. Edited June 9, 2012 by zoser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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