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[Etu Malku]

Ryu, on 21 November 2012 - 02:39 AM, said:

An archetype is simply a universal symbol..it is not real nor a thing that can be exploited so there is nothing to take energy from.


Am I the only one who sees that "Etu" feels, no, he "knows" he is absolutely right and the rest of us are plain wrong?
At this point it seems like a waste of energy debating, he has already alluded to the idea that since some of us do not agree that we are either A) Wrong   B ) Stupid C) Not evolved/not in control over our "subtle bodies" or whatever or D) all of the above

So, we're back to this again?
Thanks for the Wiki copy & paste it was really helpful.
Try reading a little Jung or any of today's theoretical psychologists for an accurate understanding of an archetype, memes, thoughtforms, and egregores. Check out a little Quantum Mechanics as well.
The Abrahamic god is a tremendously powerful archetype, are you going to tell me you don't feel an awesome energy there?

The problem with most of you here is that you are completely attached to the objective universe and cannot fathom anything otherwise, when you explore your subjective universe you then begin to realize that there are things just as real as in your objective universe.

Ryu, I wouldn't worry so much about "Etu", try extrapolating on your skepticism concerning what I post instead of shallow pointless jabs attempting to discredit me.

JGirl, on 21 November 2012 - 02:41 AM, said:

yay!! someone with open eyes

Eyes may be open but the mind is closed

[JGirl]

Etu Malku, on 21 November 2012 - 03:17 AM, said:

So, we're back to this again?
Thanks for the Wiki copy & paste it was really helpful.
Try reading a little Jung or any of today's theoretical psychologists for an accurate understanding of an archetype, memes, thoughtforms, and egregores. Check out a little Quantum Mechanics as well.
The Abrahamic god is a tremendously powerful archetype, are you going to tell me you don't feel an awesome energy there?

The problem with most of you here is that you are completely attached to the objective universe and cannot fathom anything otherwise, when you explore your subjective universe you then begin to realize that there are things just as real as in your objective universe.

Ryu, I wouldn't worry so much about "Etu", try extrapolating on your skepticism concerning what I post instead of shallow pointless jabs attempting to discredit me.

Eyes may be open but the mind is closed

no, just not pliable to you so therefore you dismiss it. foolish.

[Etu Malku]

Professor T, on 21 November 2012 - 02:50 AM, said:

Ok..
So if I was doing this, I would bring forth Lilith, from my Unconsciousness into my Consciousness. Then I would take her Energy, embrace it, store it, then wonder home and use that energy in ritual...

Actually you would be deeply involved in a ritual already home (or wherever the ritual chamber is).

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There is no Energy thieft involved then, because Lilith was brought forth from within, and there are no other parties other than yourself contributing to the Energy pool..  Or am I missing a point.

There's an energy there, everything has an energy current. Lilith has been created for centuries and contains some of the oldest energy known to man.

[Ciss]

Etu Malku, on 21 November 2012 - 03:22 AM, said:

Actually you would be deeply involved in a ritual already home (or wherever the ritual chamber is).

There's an energy there, everything has an energy current. Lilith has been created for centuries and contains some of the oldest energy known to man.

That's a very interesting train of thought...Lilith was an ancestral image built upon fear...are there different types of energy? None the less it's pretty neat the thought that we can tap into something from so long ago...then again I would have to wonder why I should place effort into such, it is man made which implies it already is within me as is every human since humans made it out of their energy...thus why would I feel a need to..let's just say borrow energy from another...

I did some reading on this Predatory Spirituality, which lead me to more reading ...and then more reading, shizzz! I like to read but ...

The left hand path...hmm what can I say, it is just that.. a switch from leaning too far right to leaning too far left...mirror images of neither walking up-right, straight and balanced...I have two hands why use only one?

Where Jesus said, if one of your eyes offends you, pluck it out...well what happens if you pluck your right eye out only to find that your left eye offends you also...pluck it out and hope that third eye mumbo jumbo shizz is true? Gona be one blind fecker!

[Professor T]

Etu Malku, on 21 November 2012 - 03:22 AM, said:

Actually you would be deeply involved in a ritual already home (or wherever the ritual chamber is).
There's an energy there, everything has an energy current. Lilith has been created for centuries and contains some of the oldest energy known to man.

On the one hand you claim to take energy from other people.. Then on the other you fail to even confirm it, or play this aloof game of control drama..

Sorry Etu Malku, but imo the only thing you've contributed so far in this thread is to annoy a lot of users and sucsessfully demonstrate how Aloofness can be used as a very effective drain on other peoples energy and time..  I don't personally like puting people in boxes and labeling them as a general type, but as this Topic is about Identifying how people steal your energy I believe your posting's and everyones responses over the past 5 days (some removed) is a pretty damn good live demonstation of this.. Thank you for at least prooving that as part of the OP..

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The “Aloof” is just a less passive and manipulative than the “Poor Me,” but more secretive. The “Aloof” approach is to create a vagueness and facade around themselves, forcing an undeserved investment of energy to gain information, commitment and emotion which should normally be shared in a straight-up, direct way.

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ALOOF
These are individuals who are wounded by a perceived betrayal of their expectations. They believe that essentially no one can be trusted fully. After having exchanged trust and intimacy with someone, they may suddenly turn against the very person they were getting close to. The most effective way to deal with this style is by avoiding the defensive behaviors. Indulging their behaviors will only fuel their anxieties, fears, and mistrust. The key is to call the individual on their behavior and underlying fears. Typically, the individual will either admit to the observations or they will take the extreme step of severing the relationship.

Please do not post in this thread again and waste any more of our time or Energy..

[libstaK]

Etu Malku, on 20 November 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

And if science is the end all explanation that you need to justify everything in the universe then we can stop right here, as science is incapable of measuring anything of our subjective universe.

Again with the science? Scholarly studies of all types are equally important to me as are physical scientific studies. A cursory look into Tantric practices will help you understand energy as it has been understood for millenium.

You claim energy has been measured and understood as opposed to matters such as God - if not by science, then by what tools?  And how is that to be extrapolated as "understood" if not independently verifiable.

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I'm not an advocate of prayer and see summoning and prayer as two entirely different things.

I see prayer as a "lost" magical art. It has become rote recitations or simple wish-making.

Prayer originally was a process of concentrated visualization, combined with emotional and mental energy, properly grounded to the physical through proper vocalization.

The spoken Word became in essence praying, this was first understood by the ancient Egyptians in the way of Affirmations and made manifest in (Heka) vibrational magic. Efforts were made to align sound with the principles of a cosmic order (natural ordering of the universe) which perhaps could be seen as a LOGOS, the dialog with that part of your Self that has the ability to create any condition you need or desire.

The invocation within a prayer unites our meditative state of consciousness with the power of the Word and our innate force of Will.

I would be the last to argue that there is a difference between the power of the word or mantra and what is commonly referred to as prayer, nonetheless the ritual and purpose of mass is to provide the opportunity for the intended use of prayer to be manifest.

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You're finally starting to see it my way

No, I cannot see the sense in being a self proclaimed energy thief - that's just the Ego doing it's thing, nothing to see.

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Did I say I "see' them? Where did I say that, or is this just one thing you are assuming I believe and stated?

Sense them then, "perceive" them if you wish, however what you sense/perceive and what you believe about the nature of what you sense may not be at all related.  Your position is entirely subjective on the nature of this energy you utilise and take from others, it is no more than your opinion and therefore will attract opposing opinions.

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LOL, bring that up at the next Shaman party you go to.

Wait ...  is that something you have assumed about me? Not a shaman and nothing I have said could possibly have suggested I am.

[Etu Malku]

libstaK, on 21 November 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

You claim energy has been measured and understood as opposed to matters such as God - if not by science, then by what tools?  And how is that to be extrapolated as "understood" if not independently verifiable.

I would be the last to argue that there is a difference between the power of the word or mantra and what is commonly referred to as prayer, nonetheless the ritual and purpose of mass is to provide the opportunity for the intended use of prayer to be manifest.

No, I cannot see the sense in being a self proclaimed energy thief - that's just the Ego doing it's thing, nothing to see.

Sense them then, "perceive" them if you wish, however what you sense/perceive and what you believe about the nature of what you sense may not be at all related.  Your position is entirely subjective on the nature of this energy you utilise and take from others, it is no more than your opinion and therefore will attract opposing opinions.

Wait ...  is that something you have assumed about me? Not a shaman and nothing I have said could possibly have suggested I am.

Sorry, I'd love to answer your questions here but alas I am "Aloof" and shant be wasting the time & effort of all the experienced experts on energy use here.

It was enjoyable discussing and debating (at times it wasn't) for the most part, I truly hope some of you learned something and perhaps I provided an impetus to go research and experience this phenomenon yourself.

Diablous Beatus
EM

[JGirl]

Professor T, on 13 October 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Control Dramas..
How people control others when they need to be controlled or want to get their own way?

http://www.stopthero....com/Drama.html

These are the 4 ways people steal your energy.

1. POOR ME
The “Poor Me” is a passive-aggressive and the most secretly manipulative of the four styles. This person will portray a false sense of being a victim in order to appeal to another person’s compassion, guilt or obligation through the manipulation of their sympathies.

2. ALOOF
The “Aloof” is just a less passive and manipulative than the “Poor Me,” but more secretive. The “Aloof” approach is to create a vagueness and facade around themselves, forcing an undeserved investment of energy to gain information, commitment and emotion which should normally be shared in a straight-up, direct way.

3. INTERROGATOR
More aggressive but less manipulative than the two passive-secretive types, the “Interrogator” uses this style of drama by evaluating and asking questions with the specific purpose of finding something wrong or corrupt.

4. INTIMIDATOR
“Intimidators” are the most aggressive of the four types. Their presence is well stated and felt and there is a threatening air of danger conveyed from them. They are unpredictable and can threaten, use harsh words and abusive actions uncontrollably. They will demonstrate a capacity for rage or violence.

Also,
If both your parents are Intimidators or Interrogators chances are, you are a Poor me or Aloof.
If both your parent are Poor Me's or Aloof, chances are, you are an Intimidator or Interrogator.

This is from the book "The Celestine Prophecy"

So, discuss...

i don't think there are enough 'categories'. there is too much grey area in some respects to these definitions. are they more defined in the book?
(i actually think i have a copy of the celestine prophecy somewhere in my library but i haven't read it)

[Professor T]

JGirl, on 21 November 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

i don't think there are enough 'categories'. there is too much grey area in some respects to these definitions. are they more defined in the book?
(i actually think i have a copy of the celestine prophecy somewhere in my library but i haven't read it)

The book only in a very basic way defines these four control dramas, aparently there are other books, but I've not read them.. I think though, that the trouble with writing a whole list of definitions regarding energy and identifying it is that everyone seems to percieve energy differently.. Someone might be able to write whole chapters on Energy percieved as light, or colour, but that would be meaningless for someone like myself who percieves it (when I'm able) as a magnetic or gravity feeling force.
I do think there are other ways of stealing peoples energy though, or manipulating others into investing your energy into them, but as I'm not always energy aware, so it's hard to tell..
I think the four Control Dramas as basically it as far as using drama to manipulate.. it's something that mostly everyone uses on each other but for the most part aren't aware of.. I'm pretty sure there are forms of trickery too, brain washing people to percieve a need to give up energy, but need to give that some more thought..

Energy dumping is a new one I wasn't aware of till a few days ago..

[Etu Malku]

Exactly who is this "stoptherobbery" person? What book are you talking about?
I can't find anything on that site except moronic, new age, false products.
Are you basing this entire thread on some idiot's advertising campaign?

[JGirl]

Professor T, on 22 November 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

The book only in a very basic way defines these four control dramas, aparently there are other books, but I've not read them.. I think though, that the trouble with writing a whole list of definitions regarding energy and identifying it is that everyone seems to percieve energy differently.. Someone might be able to write whole chapters on Energy percieved as light, or colour, but that would be meaningless for someone like myself who percieves it (when I'm able) as a magnetic or gravity feeling force.
I do think there are other ways of stealing peoples energy though, or manipulating others into investing your energy into them, but as I'm not always energy aware, so it's hard to tell..
I think the four Control Dramas as basically it as far as using drama to manipulate.. it's something that mostly everyone uses on each other but for the most part aren't aware of.. I'm pretty sure there are forms of trickery too, brain washing people to percieve a need to give up energy, but need to give that some more thought..

Energy dumping is a new one I wasn't aware of till a few days ago..

i agree that those control dramas cover some of the different ways that people manipulate others but they are generalizations too.

as you know from our conversations, i view 'stealing energy'  as an innapropriate way to describe the situation. once one understands that they do not have to react to those tactics the illusion is gone. the tricks are obvious.
the reason people feel drained, in my opinion, is because they have invested that energy wastefully, whether consciously or through ignorance of how to govern their own emotional state.

[Professor T]

JGirl, on 22 November 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

i agree that those control dramas cover some of the different ways that people manipulate others but they are generalizations too.

as you know from our conversations, i view 'stealing energy'  as an innapropriate way to describe the situation. once one understands that they do not have to react to those tactics the illusion is gone. the tricks are obvious.
the reason people feel drained, in my opinion, is because they have invested that energy wastefully, whether consciously or through ignorance of how to govern their own emotional state.

Someone who is using a control drama, let's say they are using the Interorgator approach, is using that control drama to evoke you into seeing things their way, doing things their way, investing your energy into their agendas.. I think you may be right in the fact that control dramas aren't 'stealing energy', but are merely tools behind the intention.. or another way of puting it being a means to decieve and manipulate.
Yep, I agree that once people are aware of these tactics the illusion is gone and these control dramas don't have to have the same effect on someone.. If someone is using the "poor me" control drama, instead of instantly bowing to their way of controling our energy we then have a choice to give that energy or deny it. But the tricks are not obvious.. Most people simply slip into these control dramas like a force of habit because it's the only way they know how to get their way.. The sick, infirmed, the elderly, these people slip into the poor me by moaning about their aches and pains and this is wrong and that is wrong and so on and so forth instead of stating the obvious thiing they want which is "hey, can you please fetch me a panadol."
Someone who is using a control drama, let's say they are using the Interorgator approach, is using that control drama to evoke you into seeing things their way, doing things their way, belittling the victims own thoughts into investing their energy into their agendas.. I think you may be right in the fact that control dramas aren't 'stealing energy', but are merely tools behind the intention..

Edited it add: Primarily, knowing these control dramas and recognising them is self empowering because once you can identify them they no-longer have that knee-jerk reaction of falling for them and giving up that energy.

Edited by Professor T, 23 November 2012 - 12:12 AM.