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#6976    zoser

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:13 AM

View Postmcrom901, on 13 February 2013 - 09:08 AM, said:


Start here :

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:18 AM

Better picture pictures of the phenomena:

http://www.gizapyram...rch article.htm

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Dingo

Here is your evidence of arcing.

Look at the part where he shows how the scorch marks align with the slots in the grand gallery.  Dunn always asserted that these slots contained essential equipment.

Brilliant when these logistics come together.

QED

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:38 AM

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:40 AM

http://books.google....chamber&f=false

Notice the reference to scorching inside the upper chamber shafts.

Also reference to discolouration of the granite box.  Made of red granite but now appears 'chocolate brown'.

Incredible implications from such simple observations.  Yet Egyptologists never notice these things.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:33 AM

are you stillasserting that the pyramids used granite for power generstion or have you moved onto the slightly more conventional "they werw power plants and all the gubbins have been removed now".

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:38 AM

View Postzoser, on 13 February 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:

It is.  Remember the story of Siemens and his associate who almost got knocked unconscious after an electric shock?  Where do you suppose that came from?  

Remember also that much stone has been removed and many items are missing.  Several explosive detonations have not helped either is my guess.   In short vandalism.



The grand gallery and the upper chamber bore the scars of unexplained scorch marks.  The upper chamber was alllegedly cleaned quite thoroughly to remove much of the burning.


In all the literature I had read, the Grand Gallery is described as being constructed of limestone. But here I was looking at granite! I noted a transition point further down the gallery where it changed from limestone to granite. I scanned the ceiling and saw, instead of the rough crumbling limestone one sees when first entering the gallery, what appeared to be, from 28 feet below, smooth highly polished granite. This was highly significant to me. It made sense that the material closer to the power center would be constructed of a material that was more resistant to heat.

I then paid closer attention to the scorch marks on the walls. There was heavy heat damage underneath each of the corbeled layer for a distance of about 12 inches, and it seemed as though the damage was concentrated in the center of the burn marks. I then visually took a straight line through the center of each scorch mark and projected it down towards the gallery ramp. That was when the chills ran down my spine and the hair stood out on my neck. The line extended down in alignment with the slot in the ramp!

http://www.gizapower.com/Blast.htm

More on the idea here:

http://www.bibliotec...piramide_21.htm



All good questions.  Can I add a few here?  

Where are the artefacts from the Grand Gallery niches, where are the aretefacts from the antechamber, where is the granite box lid and what was in it, what is the purpose of the well shaft, how did the salt encrustations appear in the middle chamber, what was in the middle chamber niche, why were the middle chamber shafts sealed, ..........................I could probably fill a page here but I'm sure you get the idea.



Having questions is good.  The observation I would make however is that nothing detracts from a generator principle whatsoever.

The capstone as an example was most probably the main radiating source for the EM energy.

Nope.. still not relevant.. not good enough..


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:44 AM

View Postzoser, on 13 February 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

Better picture pictures of the phenomena:

http://www.gizapyram...rch article.htm

I hope you are logging all of these researchers seeder.

All good names for your collection.

Dingo

Here is your evidence of arcing.

Look at the part where he shows how the scorch marks align with the slots in the grand gallery.  Dunn always asserted that these slots contained essential equipment.

Brilliant when these logistics come together.

QED

Ahh.. I see no scorch marks from power arching against stone there zoser..

(btw.. this isnt logistics.. )

anyway..

the slots in the gallery.. ok in my opinion Houdin has explained those.. and his theory is gaining a lot of strength..

so.. what is Dunn's theory on the purpose of the slots?


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:17 AM

View Postzoser, on 13 February 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

http://www.gizapyram...rch article.htm

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Just one look at the link means its Dunns site again, didnt I say that earlier? Everything you post goes back to him. So its hardly surprising Dunn will have a few 'researchers' with ideas like his listed on his site is it?  But lets take a quick look at the chap in that article shall we? First off - he too has an oddball book on ancient egypt to promote like Dunn.  OK big clue there....

"STEPHEN MEHLER"

Presently, Stephen specializes in synthesizing the theories of academic Egyptology with the arcane wisdom tradition known as the Sacred Science of ancient Egypt.

Stephen cites the works of Max Flindt and Otto Binder, Immanuel Velikovsky, Erich Van Danikan, Zecharia Sitchin and Dr. Arthur Horn as major influences in the possible connection with ancient human civilizations and extraterrestrial contacts.

Yep another great researcher influenced by Von Daniken and Sitchin among others....

A quick look at Immanuel Velikovsky  (as I never heard of hm)  and we find:

Velikovsky's ideas have been almost entirely rejected by mainstream academia (often vociferously so) and his work is generally regarded as erroneous in all its detailed conclusions. Moreover, scholars view his unorthodox methodology (for example, using comparative mythology to derive scenarios in celestial mechanics) as an unacceptable way to arrive at conclusions. The late Stephen Jay Gould[34] offered a synopsis of the mainstream response to Velikovsky, writing, "Velikovsky is neither crank nor charlatan — although, to state my opinion and to quote one of my colleagues, he is at least gloriously wrong ... Velikovsky would rebuild the science of celestial mechanics to save the literal accuracy of ancient legends."

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Hardly surprising is it? Like attracts like and all that...



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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:41 AM

View Postzoser, on 13 February 2013 - 08:32 AM, said:

The truth cannot be dismissed.  It can be denied.  There is a difference.  Far too many congruent logistics to support the idea of a power plant but none to support the flat earth tomb idea.

Unless you have a new idea to support it?  Please provide it.

ah so now its the TRUTH is it? No longer a theory?  Must have missed a few posts as I didn't see anything that indicates this has become truth now

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:57 PM

View Postseeder, on 13 February 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

ah so now its the TRUTH is it? No longer a theory?  Must have missed a few posts as I didn't see anything that indicates this has become truth now

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I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 05:03 PM

View Postzoser, on 13 February 2013 - 08:32 AM, said:

The truth cannot be dismissed.  It can be denied.

Here's what you will never understand. This isn't about truth. These are all theories. Just because you are infatuated with ancient aliens being responsible for things you don't understand does not make it "truth".

In fact "truth" is not even a term used in science ("true" is somes used in certain circumstances). You and science have gone their separate ways a long time ago.

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There is a difference.  Far too many congruent logistics to support the idea of a power plant but none to support the flat earth tomb idea.

Unless you have a new idea to support it?  Please provide it.

No, I only have the old ideas that people who have actually studied the pyramids still believe.


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 05:38 PM

View Postzoser, on 13 February 2013 - 08:37 AM, said:

No where near on the same scale.  In area, volume, precision, alignment.  Nothing even comes close.  If you know of one, please let me know.  

No problem.

The Great Pyramid covers 362,400 square feet. Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas covers over 3,000,000 square feet, almost ten times the puny pyramid. The playing field can be expanded to 900 feet. With the retractable roof open, the Great Pyramid could actually sit on the playing field with the top 190 feet of its peak rising through the roof.

The Great Pyramid's volume is 120,800 cubic feet. Cowboy's stadium is over 120,000,000 cubic feet, again almost ten times the size of the little pyramid. Pyramids do not use volume efficiently and are clearly a tremendous waste of materials and labor.

Cowboy's stadium has two roof arches weighing 3,200 tons each and are nearly twice the length of one side of the Great Pyramid. They were built with laser guidance to within a quarter inch tolerance for the retractable roof to function, far more precise than the sides of the Great Pyramid.

Even average architects use arches today. Primitive architects stacked blocks on top of each other because that's the only thing they knew. Apparently your ancient aliens weren't much help to them.


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 05:50 PM

Some Specific Reasons Why Dunn Is Dead Wrong, December 12, 2000
By Margaret Morris (Detroit, MI)

Dunn says the Great Pyramid blocks were machined without explaining
what powered the tools. In Dunn's scenario, electricity existed only
subsequent to construction!

Dunn offers an incorrect description of
the rock-concrete (geopolymer) theory, which theory obviates his. Why?

Developing his theory, Dunn consulted various individuals, but no
geopolymer spokesperson, despite admitting that geopolymerization
challenged him. Why?

Dunn does not refute the chemical analyses of
pyramid stone he cites. Instead, he irrelevantly points to sarcophagi
made over 1000 years after the Great Pyramid was built, when the
stone-making technology was in decline.

Dunn assumes that
geopolymers, if used at all, were only poured into molds. Wrong!
Unhardened rock-concrete can be worked like clay on a potter's
wheel. Objects can be created by packing together individual
quantities of uncured rock-concrete, skillfully shaped and finished
with simple tools before ultimate hardening. A finish can be applied
with one or more rock-concrete coatings. These techniques are used
separately or in combination to construct an object. This flexible
system eliminated quarrying, shaping, lifting and setting natural rock
blocks and explains the heretofore unresolved features of the Great
Pyramid and associated monuments and artifacts. Why didn't Dunn
discuss this?

Revealing a rock-concrete object's construction method
may require a subsurface examination. Distinguishing between natural
rock and geopolymeric rock-concrete will normally require chemical
analysis and microscopy, the geopolymer cement requiring a scanning
electron microscope. Dunn ignores these facts.

Modern quarries
exhibit cuts made by power saws. If the pyramid blocks were machined,
the pyramid era quarries should exhibit similar marks. But they bear
only the crude marks of stone picks (Arnold, D., "Building In
Egypt"), a fact consistent with a disaggregation process for
geopolymerization. Dunn ignores this, too.

The Great Pyramid's
limestone blocks are geopolymeric rock-concrete made at ambient
temperatures with the Giza quarry's high-clay-content limestone,
initially disaggregated because its clay was released by water that
flooded the quarries. It's been demonstrated! Granite was otherwise
disaggregated.

Rejecting the pyramids as funerary monuments, Dunn
asks why robbers would steal "corpses" (mummies), failing to
acknowledge that royal mummy wrappings have contained numerous
precious amulets.

Egyptologists understand that the Great Pyramid,
containing a sarcophagus and surrounded by royal tombs in the
Necropolis ("City of the Dead"), represents the mythological
primeval mountain. This fundamental religious concept, which Egypt
shared with other nations, survived in architecture (pyramids,
ziggurats, and temples) for several thousand years. Dunn ignores this
concept. To disprove that the Great Pyramid is a primeval mountain
funerary monument, Dunn must convincingly disprove the Great Pyramid's
relationship to this concept. He does not.

Dunn speculates that a
cataclysm caused machine tools to vanish. But what cataclysm lasted
over 6000 years, during which time artifacts of the type Dunn claims
were machined, were fashioned? Diorite vessels date to Neolithic times
(c. 7000 B.C.). Diorite continued to be fashioned until at least the
25th Dynasty (712-657 B.C.). This spans over 6000 years. The 18th
(1550-1307 B.C.) and 19th (1307-1196 B.C.) Dynasties produced truly
impressive monolithic colossi of granite or quartzite weighing up to
over 1000-tons each. How could machine tools and all associated high
technology, used for over 6000 years, disappear while primitive tools
and low technology objects survived?

Dunn asserts that an iron scrap
found inside the Great Pyramid proves contemporaneous iron
production. Egyptologists don't agree, citing extensive 19th Dynasty
pyramid repairs and the absence of convincing evidence of iron
smelting. No sealed Old Kingdom (2575-2134 B.C.) tomb has yielded
wrought iron. Evidence for even one smelting facility dated to the Old
or Middle Kingdom is lacking. If original, said iron could be a
foreign gift placed in the masonry, like amulets inserted into mummy
wrappings.

For his power plant to work, Dunn claims iron and gold
lined the entire lengths of the narrow northern and southern shafts of
the King's Chamber. Dunn presents no evidence for such a lining, save
for the implication of the above-mentioned unconvincing iron
scrap. However, he partially inspected the northern shaft and mentions
no sign of metal or its removal.

Dunn does not explain how energy
was transferred to power tools. He incongruously mixes low and high
technology, claiming that a wood and bronze "grapnel hook"
is part of a critical fluid control switch--as if its curved edge is a
proper contact surface. Dunn offers no proof that it floats or its
weight distribution allows the required horizontal flotation. It is
unbelievable that Dunn's advanced technology coexisted with such
"gerry-rigging." Bronze appeared in Egypt hundreds of years
after the Great Pyramid's construction. This hook, resembling nothing
known from the Pyramid Age, is probably nothing but a "grapnel
hook" placed in the Great Pyramid long after its
construction.

Dunn asserts that a crack in the Queen's Chamber
metered fluids! A crack is subject to erosion, and dimensional
instability caused by settlement, earthquakes and etc. Why would
engineers using ultrasound, high-speed motorized machinery and more
impressive technology substitute "Flintstones" technology
for a drilled orifice or truly sophisticated metering
device?

Features Dunn claims support a power plant actually support
geopolymerization best. For instance, Dunn says that the power plant's
chemicals created salt on certain limestone walls because of a
reaction with the limestone. But geopolymerized stone can release such
salt.... Salt appears on walls of other pyramids. For instance, Petrie
reported "a good deal of crystallized salt" inside Khafra's
granite (not limestone!) sarcophagus. Dunn ignores these facts that
oppose his theory. This phenomena evidences geopolymerization, not
Gizapower!

If the strange description of the granite matrix in the
King's Chamber (page 152) that Dunn presents is accurate, it suggests
artificial stone, as do Dunn's remarks about Petrie's granite core # 7
from Khafra's Valley Temple, "The confounding fact that the
spiral groove cut deeper through the quartz than through the softer
feldspar. In conventional machining the reverse would be the
case."

Dunn legitimately asserts that certain features cannot
be explained by utilizing ancient Egyptian tools. His evidence
inadvertently helps prove that geopolymerization is the answer to
otherwise puzzling monuments and artifacts.

http://www.amazon.co...nDateDescending

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This book brings up a number of interesting unexplained facts about the pyramid. The author theorizes that the pyramid was used as a giant hydrogen power generator. Is sounds rather interesting, but several unexplained leaps are made. When he explained that it required a signal from space, and anti-matter in the subterranean chamber to counter the effect of gravity in order to work, he lost me.

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The author Dunn is not the only person with an outlandish theory about the meaning of the pyramids (jokingly known as "pyramidiocy"). His ideas fit in among others about curses, astrology, extraterrestrials, Atlantis, even a well-known technological theory which predates Dunn's: that the Great Pyramid was a giant water pump.

Though coherent in sections, this book has all the trappings of pseudoscience (selectively ignoring conflicting evidence, and a firmly convinced that the entire scientific community is blind with their hubris--and unqualified to boot). Here is a direct quote that was so funny I took the time to type it directly from the book:

(...)

This passage showcases a man who actually confused a bout of traveler's diarrhea with pyramid energy. And that little bit of entertainment was one of the only worthwhile nuggets I got from reading the book. Well, I did laugh pretty hard at the drawing of an ancient Egyptian satellite which Dunn speculates beamed power all over the Earth from his dubious power plant.

Another reviewer has demolished point-by-point many of Dunn's claims, so I won't do that here.

There is a very good reason that this idea will just fade away and never "catch on" in the scientific community, and it isn't the hubris of scientists... it's just a bad theory.

http://www.amazon.co...nDateDescending


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:22 PM

Good find Abe. I was reading her site ages ago while responding to this thread and got sidetracked/forgot it, so good you come across it again. She does lay in to Dunn quite heavily, some of the stuff Ive read of their bickering has got quite insulting...

her site and continued her v Dunn updates

http://www.margaretm...m/mddebate.html

be sure to see the 'meltdown' here where she does point by point criticism

http://margaretmorri...t_meltdown.html





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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:56 PM

View Postzoser, on 13 February 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

More research on the Power Plant principle:


The Kings Chamber is known to have regular dimensions (Exhibit 2 and 3). One of the purposes of this regularity may be to allow for electromagnetic resonance, further enhancing the electromagnetic field within the Kings Chamber. This effect can indeed be calculated.

Let me get this straight. They're actually using the fact that the room is square as evidence?

Well gee, I wonder what else can we find with regular dimensions that might have unknown power generating abilities?

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