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#3841    NO-ID-EA

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 02:11 PM

Some of Lokamanya Tilak's thoughts on Arctic Origins .

It is commonly stated that the region of the North Pole has 6 months of continual daytime , and 6 months of continual nights , this is more true of the actual North pole than it is of the  circum polar region , the truth may be nearer to say it has 194 days of continual light/sun , 76 days of continual darkness/night , 47 days of continual dawn , and 48 days of continual dusk.

during the light days the sun does not rise in the east and set in the west , but it continually revolves as  a wheel around the sky , this fact and the 95 days of a twilight like dawn lights in the sky , and the perfect vision of the celestial skies for a further 76 days  , cannot have failed to impress itself on anyone living in this region , having only one morning and one evening throughout the whole year .These characteristics are unique to the North Polar regions , and cannot be observed anywhere else in the world .

Varamsi is thought to mean expanse or space , and Vritra spins the world on a pole , and the world is like a chariot wheel , the heavens in the tropical and temperate zones , can be watched to see that as the sun rises in the east and descends in the west , but its continuing journey cannot be seen , until it again rises in the east , so the temporate areas cannot be the point of balance for the Gods pole .The pole can only support the wheel at the point of the North Pole .


Rig Veda .1.24.10. the constellation Ursa Major (Rikshah)is placed directly overhead (uchhah ) ......this is only possible at a circum polar region .......

The idea that the days and nights of the Gods are 6 months in duration are common throughout vedic texts ,  Siddhanta X11,67, says Mount Meru ( he think the terrestrial North Pole ), and at Meru the Gods behold the sun after but a single rising during half of its revolution beginning in Aries  . ( ie: 6 months )

According to Puranas... Meru is the home/seat  of ALL the Gods, the gods were the ancestors of humans and they lived at Meru where one night and day took one year.

Manu 1.67.. Says describing the division of time , that a human year , is but a night and a day to the Gods .

people have said that they could have found this out by the use of mathematics , but Lokamanyu says there are too many descriptions of the land of the Gods for them not to have been describing something they have personally witnessed.

In Mahabharata Arjuna visits Mount Meru ( North Pole ) (Vanaparvan 163,164 ) " where the sun and moon go round from left to right (Pradakshinam ) every day the mountain by its lustre becomes overcome by the darkness , but the darkness can hardly be distinguished from the day .and later Arjuna says " a day and a night together equal a year to the residents .

At the very least this should convince us that at the time the great epics were written , Indian writers had a comprehensive knowledge of the North pole both meteorologically and astronomically , and that they thought the Aryan Gods came from there .

In Taittiriya Brahmana .111,9,22,1. Kasyapa the 8th Aditya says 2that which is a year is but a single day for the Gods".and that once found he never again left the land of the Gods

Lokamana says he is forced to believe that in Ancient days the Indians had a home (colony ) in the North Polar region.

Vendidad of the Parsis . Fargard 11,para 40 , "they regard as a day , what is to us a year , the second part of Fargard is a conversation between Ahura Mazda , and Yima , AM warns Yima the first king of men , that a great winter approaches , which will destroy all living creatures , by covering the land in thick ice ,and that he should build an enclosure to preserve seeds , and animals and plants of all kinds ....... in the Fargard epic they are in the Airyana Viejo ( Paradise acc to the Persian/Iranians )Yima asks how will the land be lit , and AM says amongst other things , the moon and the sun will only rise and set once each year , and a year seems only a day ....Airyana Viejo was also considered the Ancestral home of the Iranians , he believes it is the same place as Mount Meru the Ancestral home of the Indians .

Devayana was the long day and Pitryana was the long night , corresponding with the Uttarayana and the Dakshinayama .

Devayana is the light road of Agni , whereas the Pitris or Pitrayana road , is the road of death , and according to Agni there were only two roads/paths , one was the road of continuous night , and the other the path of continuous day .....These paths could only be in the North Pole .

Dr.Warren . in his book also notes that in both the lliad and the odyssey , they refer to two kinds of days/nights , some that continue for a year , and usually are mentioned in connection with the Gods , and some that only last 24 hours , usually when the text refers to humans .

Norse mythology frequently mentions the Twilight of the Gods, in the rein s of Odinn and Aesir , which would only come to an end , and be revived again when from the dead son , arises a daughter more beautiful ........

.If the dead son/sun , presumably the long night , as it is followed by the beautiful daughter ( assume the long Dawn ) .....if this were pagan propaganda you would assume the christian son/sun was being seen as the dark path , and presumably the daughter/ dawn grows up into the light path (mother )  but i presume this is all way before christianity? also has to be coincidence that the dark long night is called Pitris ( as it reminds you of Petros , the rock of christianity too)

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:34 AM

So where is everyone ? No Abe to tell me i am wrong minutes after i have made a post ! ..has there been a worldwide holiday announced but someone forgot to tell me .

No one interested in commenting about why the Ancient vedic writings , zoroastrian writing , writing of Mani , all thought the Gods came from the North pole ,a hint in lliad and Odyssey that the greeks may have thought the same .

Who were those Goths , were they the Gods , and who were the Angles , were they the Angels

Edited by NO-ID-EA, 02 May 2013 - 06:38 AM.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:38 AM

I'd prefer that people like The_Spartan or Harsh_Patel, who are both from India and are both Hindu, show up and answer you.

But as you can see here, they are a bit 'busy':

http://www.unexplain...c=240716&st=195


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:48 AM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 01 May 2013 - 02:58 AM, said:

Researcher Irina Pugach and colleagues now analysed genetic variation from across the genome from aboriginal Australians, New Guineans, island Southeast Asians, and Indians. Their findings suggest substantial gene flow from India to Australia 4,230 years ago. i.e. during the Holocene and well before European contact. “Interestingly,” says Pugach, “this date also coincides with many changes in the archaeological record of Australia, which include a sudden change in plant processing and stone tool technologies, with microliths appearing for the first time, and the first appearance of the dingo in the fossil record. Since we detect inflow of genes from India into Australia at around the same time, it is likely that these changes were related to this migration.”


Well I think that is super interesting.

And it get's better:

There is a pattern of SNPs in aboriginal Australians that is not found in people from New Guinea or the Philippines. But it is found in some Indians—particularly in Dravidian speakers from the southern part of the subcontinent. That discovery both meshes with the Y-chromosome data and enriches it, because the pattern of the SNP data meant that she and her colleagues could calculate when the Indian genes (and thus the Indians who carried them) arrived in Australia.

The answer is 141 generations ago. Allowing 30 years a generation, that yields a date of 2217BC. Obviously, this is not a precise date. But it is probably good to within a century or two. And that is interesting for two reasons. One is that the 23rd century BC is slap-bang in the middle of the period when Indian civilisation was emerging. The other is that it coincides with a shift in both the culture of Australia and the composition of the continent’s wildlife.


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One technology it managed to develop was seaworthy ships, rather than mere boats, and Indus valley states used them to trade with their Middle Eastern neighbours. Such ships could have provided the means to get to Australia, either deliberately or by accident, for by then the sea had risen close to its modern level.

Archaeological evidence suggests that the Indus valley civilisation did not extend into the area where the telltale SNP patterns came from, so any connection is speculative. But many anthropologists believe Dravidians were once more widespread than they are today. (There is, for example, a group of Dravidians living south of Quetta, in Pakistan, on the edge of the territory occupied by the Indus valley civilisation.) In any case, Dr Pugach and her team could find no sign of the relevant SNP pattern in South-East Asia. That suggests the people who brought it may have travelled directly across the Indian Ocean, rather than coasting through what is now Indonesia. If so, they probably came by ship, rather than boat.


http://abitmoredetai...y-civilization/


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:32 PM

And the reason these people went on the move may have had nothing to do with a natural disaster ( - comet impact in the Indian Ocean forming the Burckle Crater, the impact Alewyn thinks took place in 2194 BCE, but is supposed to have happened between 3000 and 2800 BCE, and may not even have been an impact at all - ) but with violence:

http://www.unexplain...25#entry4757616


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:38 PM

View PostNO-ID-EA, on 02 May 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:

So where is everyone ? No Abe to tell me i am wrong minutes after i have made a post ! ..has there been a worldwide holiday announced but someone forgot to tell me .

No one interested in commenting about why the Ancient vedic writings , zoroastrian writing , writing of Mani , all thought the Gods came from the North pole ,a hint in lliad and Odyssey that the greeks may have thought the same .

Who were those Goths , were they the Gods , and who were the Angles , were they the Angels

Yo Idea, you haven't missed the 1st of May (Fest of the Labour Day)?
Next year there will be another :-)

I find it all very interesting, but allready a bit stuck with the concept 'Gods'.
I'm afraid i'll have to take that barrier first:-) meanwhile, glad to learn more, I'll stay tuned.

When I read the Rig Veda, I'm personnaly not very much tempted to look for locations/personifications (this is of course pure my interpretation i wanna see in it):
do you see Agni/Varuna and consorts as 'the Gods' who could have walked on earth somewhere?


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:59 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 02 May 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

And the reason these people went on the move may have had nothing to do with a natural disaster ( - comet impact in the Indian Ocean forming the Burckle Crater, the impact Alewyn thinks took place in 2194 BCE, but is supposed to have happened between 3000 and 2800 BCE, and may not even have been an impact at all - ) but with violence:

http://www.unexplain...25#entry4757616

Alewyn:

Incidently, and in response to Puzzler’s remarks about the Burckle impact:
Dr. Massey guessed the date at about 2800 BC. Dr. Dallas Abbott guessed 2500 BC.
In response to an e-mail question from me, Dr. Abbott replied that it is quite possible that the Burckle Impact could have happened in 2200 BC. They have not as yet dated the chevrons on Madagascar.


http://www.unexplain...40#entry3744914

Google "Burckle Crater" . You will see a link to a site that doubts these chevrons were the result of a tsunami. Can't find it right now.

But what I remember is that these chevrons are oriented the wrong way, that is, if they were supposed to have been created by a tsunami coming from the east, the Indian Ocean.

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EDIT:

This was not what I was looking for, but it will do:


"Chevrons" are not mega-tsunami deposits - A sedimentologic assessment
Joanne Bourgeois and Robert Weiss

ABSTRACT

Since the introduction of the term “chevron” for large v- or u-shaped bed forms in Egypt
and the Bahamas, others have adopted the term to describe large-scale coastal bed forms
in Australia, Madagascar, and elsewhere. These authors interpret “chevron” bed forms as
deposits of mega-tsunamis resulting from Holocene oceanic asteroid impacts. We reason that
chevron-type bed forms are common and are present far enough from the coast to preclude
tsunami genesis. Moreover, we argue that “chevrons” are not mega-tsunami deposits by modeling
tsunami behavior and evaluating sediment-transport conditions under which such features
formed. We model the southern Madagascar case, with an impact source in the Indian
Ocean, and show that a modeled wave approach is inconsistent with “chevron” orientation.
We then evaluate sediment-transport conditions under which these “chevron” bed forms
could persist, i.e., bed-load transport. In our analysis, no conditions specified generate pure
bed-load transport, and most result in pure suspended-load transport.




http://faculty.washi...ss2009final.pdf




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Edited by Abramelin, 02 May 2013 - 08:10 PM.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:21 PM

View PostVan Gorp, on 02 May 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:


I find it all very interesting, but allready a bit stuck with the concept 'Gods'.
I'm afraid i'll have to take that barrier first:-) meanwhile, glad to learn more, I'll stay tuned.

When I read the Rig Veda, I'm personnaly not very much tempted to look for locations/personifications (this is of course pure my interpretation i wanna see in it):
do you see Agni/Varuna and consorts as 'the Gods' who could have walked on earth somewhere?

I dont Know any more than you VG , i have just been an avid reader of books over the years, who is posting things that i find or remember , that i think may be relative to OBL ,.......


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:29 PM

Could you please put all this veda stuff on another thread ? It has nothing to do with the OLB.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:56 PM

View PostKnul, on 02 May 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

Could you please put all this veda stuff on another thread ? It has nothing to do with the OLB.

I agree.

I truely hate all this wordfk and socalled 'etymology'.

By that you can 'prove' Santa was Frya or Obama by dissecting words to the letters they are composed of.

Google "Edo Nyland". He is a Dutch guy who posts all over the internet to 'prove' the Basque language was the source of all languages.

What he does is dissect a word into bits, and then translate those bits into MODERN Basque words.

He is an idiot.

http://www.faculty.u...nze/nylink2.htm

http://www.urbandict...term=edo nyland

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:24 PM

View PostNO-ID-EA, on 02 May 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

I dont Know any more than you VG , i have just been an avid reader of books over the years, who is posting things that i find or remember , that i think may be relative to OBL ,.......

ok, it's a free world.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:08 PM

Maybe known by you, but if you want to study relations of

OLB-Norse-Indian (V)eda tales, this can be usefull:

http://www.laurenhas...edved.htm#intro


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:02 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 02 May 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

I agree.

I truely hate all this wordfk and socalled 'etymology'.

By that you can 'prove' Santa was Frya or Obama by dissecting words to the letters they are composed of.

Google "Edo Nyland". He is a Dutch guy who posts all over the internet to 'prove' the Basque language was the source of all languages.

What he does is dissect a word into bits, and then translate those bits into MODERN Basque words.

He is an idiot.

http://www.faculty.u...nze/nylink2.htm

http://www.urbandict...term=edo nyland

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Seriously , OLB says its people were in India for 1200 years , but you agree with knul , that it cant have any connections with them ??? .....i am dumbstruck


just read your other thread..... very interesting........You  see any possible connection with the Indians not letting foreign travellers back into

the community.........is that not what happens to the frisians , even some who fought in their defence are not allowed to stay there .

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:07 AM

View PostVan Gorp, on 02 May 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

Maybe known by you, but if you want to study relations of

OLB-Norse-Indian (V)eda tales, this can be usefull:

http://www.laurenhas...edved.htm#intro

Thanks VG , that will keep me occupied on my day off tomorrow ....... :tu:


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:27 AM

So let us go back to the situation that Apol, Otharus/Gestur, you and me are involved in discussions on the OLB. There is much to be investigated yet, e.g. the relation between the juridical texts in OLB as compared to the Oldfrisian texts like the Asega book. Did the author fancy the juridical texts or can we find similar Oldfrisian texts ? Who dares ?

Edited by Knul, 03 May 2013 - 11:28 AM.





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