Still Waters Posted December 17, 2014 #1 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Smoking in cars with children will be banned in England, under new laws put forward by the government. The regulations laid before Parliament propose banning smoking in cars containing under 18s. A fine of £50 will be issued to people who smoke or who fail to prevent another person smoking. MPs will vote on the plans before the election - and if they are passed the change in law will come into force on 1 October. http://www.bbc.co.uk...health-30513439 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Space Commander Travis Posted December 17, 2014 Popular Post #2 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Oh, bloody Government. What are they gonna do, give the Old Bill authority to stop anyone who looks as if they might be smoking to check whether they have Under 18s in the car? it's absolutely typical of clueless and powerless Governments to devise such idiotic police state laws to distract attention from the real truth - that they have absolutely no clue what to do, and have no influence whatsoever on any real issues. But of course everyone will meekly say "Yes, officer", "no, officer", "I'm very sorry Officer, please slap a fine on me, I'm a bad person", because we'll all been brought up to believe that the Government only introduces laws because they care about us. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo1 Posted December 17, 2014 #3 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Seems like a good idea to me, smoking in a confined space such as a car can't be good for your health, considering all those carcinogenic chemicals released in cigarette smoke. I can remember the old days when people used to smoke on buses when I was a lot younger, luckily I survived to tell the tale. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted December 17, 2014 #4 Share Posted December 17, 2014 As a kid I always loved the smell of my dad lighting up in the car. Glad I was born in an era when the government was just that and was not also trying to be your mother. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Id3al Experience Posted December 17, 2014 #5 Share Posted December 17, 2014 If you don't stop it you can be fined too? STUPID.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruel_Cahal Posted December 17, 2014 #6 Share Posted December 17, 2014 How about if the governemnt stays the hell out of people's lives and stops trying to control 100% of every aspect of people's lives? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karmakazi Posted December 17, 2014 #7 Share Posted December 17, 2014 As a kid I always loved the smell of my dad lighting up in the car. Glad I was born in an era when the government was just that and was not also trying to be your mother. I wasn't, my mom smoking made me feel like **** and when I was out of the house for an hour or so, my body would start to detox RE my eyes would burn and water, and everyone thought I was crying all the time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted December 18, 2014 #8 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) We've had that law here for... the last three of four years? I don't even think that they've charged anyone in that time. It's just another 'tool' in their belt. P.S.: Oh, 'here' is British Columbia (the best part of Britain), Canada. Frantic edit: "I keed, I keed!" Edited December 18, 2014 by Likely Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted December 18, 2014 #9 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Its madness, because it cannot be enforced, the intentions are good. But If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shayde Posted December 18, 2014 #10 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Well, that's the likes of Ken Clarke going to get billed repeatedly then. He's been photographed multiple times having a puff on cigars in the back of the official limo. With this law in place, he (and other shysters) would be subjecting their driver to second hand smoke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Terreur Posted December 18, 2014 #11 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I'm a smoker myself, and i have an 8-year-old daughter. Since she was born, i go outside for a cigarrette, and i'd never even think of smoking when i'm in a confined space with her. I'm a grownup and i don't need the police playing chaperone for something that should be common bloody sense. What's next? I can't let her drive anymore???? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted December 18, 2014 #12 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Its madness, because it cannot be enforced, the intentions are good. But If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law. Exactly, that's how it's always been in the UK (compared to some other countries perhaps), an instinctive respect for the law because there never used to be more laws than was necessary. Now, since the days of T. Blair particularly, they're in danger of losing that because it is literally becoming a police state; not in the sense that you might be taken away by the Secret Police if you criticise the Government, no, but in a million silly, petty and unenforceable ways. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendy Demon Posted December 18, 2014 #13 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I really do not think the law has much to do with protecting anyone as it is about revenue. Think of all the money that can be raked in from the fines people have to pay if caught. On the other hand it seems that some people have to be explicitly told that filling the passenger compartment with acrid smoke then forcing everyone else to breathe it is not a good thing to do, especially if there is inclement weather that prevents the passengers from opening a window to let the smoke out. But whatever happens in the U.K seems to end up happening here in the U.S as well....eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo1 Posted December 18, 2014 #14 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I really don't understand why people need to smoke, it's a disgusting habit, very expensive and a serious health risk to. If people have to smoke then that's their choice, but please don't inflict their second hand smoke on others, especially in confined spaces like a car. Breathing in second hand smoke, can be just as bad a health risk, as smoking yourself. I guess the demise of the great British pub has a lot to do with the enforced no smoking rule in pubs, gone are the days now, when pubs were once filled with the thick choking acrid smoke from smokers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Terreur Posted December 19, 2014 #15 Share Posted December 19, 2014 thank you for the analysis, mom.... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra99 Posted December 19, 2014 #16 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I really don't understand why people need to smoke, it's a disgusting habit, very expensive and a serious health risk to. If people have to smoke then that's their choice, but please don't inflict their second hand smoke on others, especially in confined spaces like a car. Breathing in second hand smoke, can be just as bad a health risk, as smoking yourself. I guess the demise of the great British pub has a lot to do with the enforced no smoking rule in pubs, gone are the days now, when pubs were once filled with the thick choking acrid smoke from smokers. The smoking ban is a major factor in pub closures. If the tight fisted breweries had dipped into their deep pockets years ago and provided proper ventilation systems in pubs, they could have retained seperate smoking rooms and wouldn't be closing by the thousand. Their answer to a smoke filled room was to stick a nine inch fan in the wall or open a window, which did bugger all.British pubs never did know the meaning of air conditioning. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Border Collie Posted December 19, 2014 #17 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted December 19, 2014 #18 Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) The smoking ban is a major factor in pub closures. If the tight fisted breweries had dipped into their deep pockets years ago and provided proper ventilation systems in pubs, they could have retained seperate smoking rooms and wouldn't be closing by the thousand. Their answer to a smoke filled room was to stick a nine inch fan in the wall or open a window, which did bugger all.British pubs never did know the meaning of air conditioning. The smoking ban is blamed for the closures, but is that true? I'd argue two things killed the pubs, the wide availability of cheap alcohol from major supermarkets and other outlets such as bargain booze, the pricing was something the pubs could not compete with, plus how many people aged 18 to 35 do you see in the pub very few is the answer - the pub image is of old men drinking mild. I went with family last Christmas to a pub, i was in there about three hours in that time at 31 i was the youngest by far, it was like gods waiting room. Edited December 19, 2014 by stevewinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo1 Posted December 19, 2014 #19 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The smoking ban is blamed for the closures, but is that true? I'd argue two things killed the pubs, the wide availability of cheap alcohol from major supermarkets and other outlets such as bargain booze, the pricing was something the pubs could not compete with, plus how many people aged 18 to 35 do you see in the pub very few is the answer - the pub image is of old men drinking mild. I went with family last Christmas to a pub, i was in there about three hours in that time at 31 i was the youngest by far, it was like gods waiting room. I'm sure the smoking ban also contributed to pub closures, because the older generation of regular pub users could no longer smoke in pubs. It was the same with betting shops, the older generation punters abandoned those to, which led to the closures of independent betting shops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted February 11, 2015 Author #20 Share Posted February 11, 2015 MPs will vote on the plans before the election - and if they are passed the change in law will come into force on 1 October. They voted - The regulations were passed in the Commons after 342 MPs voted in favour of legislation while just 74 voted against. http://www.bbc.co.uk...health-31310685 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Border Collie Posted February 11, 2015 #21 Share Posted February 11, 2015 "England bans smoking in cars if children are being carried as passengers." And people are posting complaining about the Government removing their rights? If people acted in a responsible fashion in their lives this sort of legislation wouldn't be necessary. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted February 12, 2015 #22 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I love all these for the benefit of Health laws followed two days later by reports that people are living longer, costing the NHS billions, getting abused in poor standard care homes etc.. Its like a mate in work who smokes, I said to him once about quitting he said why? followed by -They say smoking takes 5 years off your life. he said that's five years of not sitting in his underpants drooling and someone wiping his ass. - he as a point i feel. but is dependent on peoples outlook on life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooksey Posted February 12, 2015 #23 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) Id rather do time than pay a 50 quid fine, never in a month of Sundays will i pay a fine for such ludicrous laws... Edited February 12, 2015 by Brooksey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Area Posted February 12, 2015 #24 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) Is this a silly law? I understand the argument, and as someone who used to smoke around the time the smoking ban came in I share people's frustration in feeling like they are living in a Police state, however.... In the UK, if you cause harm to a child, neglect a child, even if that neglect is unintentional, you are subject to criminal prosecution, investigation by Social Services and rightly so. Why would smoking in a car be treated less severely. We know smoking is bad for the health, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that if you release vapour into and enclosed space, the concentrations are going to be increased exponentially, so if you knowingly expose your child to that environment then, quite frankly your are a total bas***d. I also understand the argument about adults being responsible for their own actions without the need for it to be policed, however there are unfortunately many adults and parents out there who are more irresponsible than their own children. Anyone who does smoke in a car with children present should be thankful they will only receive a £50 fine, if it were up to me I would do them for child abuse and instigate a child protection inquiry. For the record I loved smoking, it was one of those comfort things that I got great pleasure from, I gave up smoking 8 months ago, when we found out my wife was pregnant. It is quite possible that this will turn out to be unenforceable, but if it acts as a deterrent, I say go for it. *edited for grammar Edited February 12, 2015 by Grey Area 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Border Collie Posted February 12, 2015 #25 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Id rather do time than pay a 50 quid fine, never in a month of Sundays will i pay a fine for such ludicrous laws... Read the link. Are you seriously saying you would go to jail because you believe you have the right to smoke in a car WHEN YOU ARE CARRYING CHILDREN AS PASSENGERS? Because that is what this legislation is about. SMH. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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