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What happened to Elisa Lam?

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#1    deletedposter

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 03:51 PM

Has anyone heard of the case of Elisa Lam? This thing is super creepy. There is video of this young lady in an elevator acting VERY strangely, shortly afterwards she disappears and is found 2 weeks later in the water tanks on the roof of her apartment building. What makes the story even more odd is that fact that the building she lived in was at one point home to serial killers, as well as several people who committed suicide.

You can find an interesting article HERE where you can also watch the elevator footage. Pay special attention around the 1:55 mark. Watch her hand movements.

For one more strange coincidence, how about this one, shortly after Elisa Lam's death there was an outbreak of tuberculosis near the site of her death. Any idea what the name of the test for tuberculosis is? The test is known as LAM-ELISA... which is VERY strange. Not saying its connected just saying it makes the hairs on my neck stand up.

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 04:33 PM

Wow that is intriguing, so to be clear there are no leads or known lines of enquiry the police are pursuing to this apart from what was provided in the link?

The coincidences and synchronicities, while creepy, are not what interests me most.  I would like to know:

How the police surmise she got into a water tank, closed a lid that then had to be cut open to get her out of?

Has it been established that the alarm for the roof door was actually working?

Did she use the door at all?

Is the use of the fire escape a feasible means of her reaching the roof instead?

If the police had previously been on the roof and searched (with dogs?)  How in the heck was the smell of a body so totally disguised from them?

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 04:49 PM

 deletedposter, on 30 December 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

Has anyone heard of the case of Elisa Lam?
Yes, we've had a thread about her before which you might find interesting -

http://www.unexplain...owtopic=243410.

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 04:50 PM

I did some google image searching and there doesn't appear to be any type of access ladder to the roof. The building is very basic from the outside, and from what I can see there aren't even any buildings close enough that she could have gained access from a neighboring building. The whole thing creeps me out. That video is very unsettling to me for some reason.


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Posted 30 December 2013 - 04:58 PM

She looks like shes having some kind of nervous breakdown or somebody dosed her up with lsd


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Posted 30 December 2013 - 05:55 PM

 dr no, on 30 December 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

She looks like shes having some kind of nervous breakdown or somebody dosed her up with lsd

Some people have said she may be suffering from Bi-Polar or some similar disorder. She appears to be excessively paranoid.

 Still Waters, on 30 December 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

Yes, we've had a thread about her before which you might find interesting -

http://www.unexplain...owtopic=243410.

Thanks. Checking it out now.


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Posted 31 December 2013 - 07:45 PM

I'm SURE this question has been asked, but does anyone know if she came up the elevator alone to the 14th floor? I know we only have this video that's been released to the public to go by, but it seems like earlier recordings in the elevator would be relevant. Are we to assume they are unhelpful?


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Posted 01 January 2014 - 04:15 PM

I would assume that because to me, her behavior in the elevator correlates with the bizarre circumstances of her death.

Edit: Actually, I wouldn't use the word unhelpful...

Edited by regi, 01 January 2014 - 04:57 PM.


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Posted 01 January 2014 - 09:11 PM

I have probably just missed it but I didn't seem where anyone addressed the question of why the doors didn't close ?  There could be a hold open button since it is a hotel but they are always timed. I believe I also see five buttons on the middle row that she seems to have pushed.  Five, in a hotel that has 13 floors ?  The top light does not go on, which would have been the 14th floor she was on.

Four light seem to be on when the elevator doors close for the first time.  Then the top of those lights seems to go out just as the door opens, but to me after that there is an instant when the door closes again that there are again four lights lit.

When I look at that "connect the dots" carpeting in the initial hallway, it seems like I can pick a location of those rows of patterns in relationship to the lines of black dots to the open door.  At one point, when she steps out of the elevator, her left foot is angled from the door with the toe of her foot resting on a black dot.  I picked another row to watch and that is about in the middle and results in four dots from the door in a straight line to the wall  and two dots to the back, laying close to wide molding and a doorway that seem to be off.  There are two which look closer together and at more of an angle.

When that door opens again for what should have been its first stop down, those lines of carpet are in exactly the same position.  I don't think there would be any way or any reason to lay that pattern twice down two different hallways and have it in the exact same position.

I believe I see the same thing in it's next and final stop.  It looks different because the color of the paneling seems to change.  Or does the just lighting change ???

I think that film has been edited and at least one of the stops duplicated.

Edited by Vincennes, 01 January 2014 - 09:27 PM.


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 12:10 AM

 regi, on 01 January 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

I would assume that because to me, her behavior in the elevator correlates with the bizarre circumstances of her death.

Edit: Actually, I wouldn't use the word unhelpful...


I know it's useless to discuss elevator video we won't ever see and that the only reason we got this is because she was missing at the time. I'm going to assume the lack of evidence that anyone else was involved plus the accidental death conclusion means de facto case closed. Also, if the agency conducting the investigation (the RMCP) at the time of her disappearance did not confiscate all of the tapes,, they were no doubt taped over shortly after. There may be no tapes. But hopefully someone reviewed them and I'll bet the motive for her being on the 14th floor could be deduced from that footage. I only bring it up because I hadn't seen the question raised anywhere, even in comments sections of all the articles I've read about the case (though I'm sure it's been asked many, many times). I think it needs to be asked although I'll wager there aren't any other intact tapes from that evening besides the one we've got.


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 01:35 PM

 petermattson, on 02 January 2014 - 12:10 AM, said:

I know it's useless to discuss elevator video we won't ever see and that the only reason we got this is because she was missing at the time. I'm going to assume the lack of evidence that anyone else was involved plus the accidental death conclusion means de facto case closed. Also, if the agency conducting the investigation (the RMCP) at the time of her disappearance did not confiscate all of the tapes,, they were no doubt taped over shortly after. There may be no tapes. But hopefully someone reviewed them and I'll bet the motive for her being on the 14th floor could be deduced from that footage. I only bring it up because I hadn't seen the question raised anywhere, even in comments sections of all the articles I've read about the case (though I'm sure it's been asked many, many times). I think it needs to be asked although I'll wager there aren't any other intact tapes from that evening besides the one we've got.

I think it's a good question, and I actually never considered it, I guess because the video shown was the last known sighting, and to me, she appeared alone and clearly not in a right frame of mind.

Just FYI, when I first looked into the case, I went on google earth and street view and scouted out the building and roof and my impression was that it wouldn't have been difficult for her to have gotten to the roof and then into that water tank.

Edited by regi, 02 January 2014 - 01:37 PM.


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 04:30 PM

If you will just look, as you have to do with a magician, at what you are not expected to be looking at ~~  The carpet in the hallway.  The first decent of that elevator is faked.  Watch the carpet.  The door opens at the same floor it was on when she first got in it.

I don't know why they would fake that decent and I don't know very much about film editing but I suspect they have clipped the fact that someone got on that elevator with her and descended perhaps one floor with her.  There is also a difference in the length of time for the descents floor to floor.  This was also noted in the previous thread.  That makes me think they couldn't just cut the film that showed someone getting in with her, they needed to space out the time elapsed so that it wouldn't be as noticeable.

That would mean however did this had access to this film, probably a hotel employee, current or past.  That would also explain how she managed to get up on the roof when it took a key and had an alarm system.

I also notice in all of these reports, I've found nothing from her family.  One notation that the other employees in Canada didn't know her well and that's it.  I've never seen a report of this type that at some point didn't include a family interview.


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 05:24 PM

Vin, the building is essentially in three sections and each section has fire escapes with ladders directly to the roof. The little rooftop building next to the water tanks also has a ladder directly to it's roof which provides access to the tops of the tanks.


https://maps.google....ed=0COABEPwSMBA

Edited by regi, 02 January 2014 - 05:26 PM.


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 05:51 PM

 regi, on 02 January 2014 - 05:24 PM, said:

Vin, the building is essentially in three sections and each section has fire escapes with ladders directly to the roof. The little rooftop building next to the water tanks also has a ladder directly to it's roof which provides access to the tops of the tanks.


https://maps.google....ed=0COABEPwSMBA

For what it's worth, an Internet review of the "upscale hostel" on a travel site from before her death included a description of a window that would not lock with access to the fire escape, meaning anyone could get in or out and perhaps onto the roof via this window.

And I don't know if this aspect has been discussed in the other thread on this topic but it would have been easier for her to get herself into the tank than for another person to get her lifeless body into the tank. It seems to me it would have to have either been her idea or more than one other person was involved.

In my opinion, she only looks like she's hallucinating or having a mental breakdown if you assume that she's the only person. She looks to me as if she had a few drinks/doesn't have her glasses/is not sure whether to trust the other person who is outside of the elevator. The video is made 100 times more eerie and strange because we don't know what sounds were happening. Was there hotel/elevator music she was hearing? Did she hear footsteps? Did someone call out to her?


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 05:53 PM

Here is a site I found.  LOL  How is your Mandarin  ?  It is not a site I would have initially trusted as being on the level.  However, watch past the film opening credits in Chinese to the film itself.  Really good footage of the hallways and the elevator buttons - and he goes all the way up to the cisterns.  The narrator indicates the film guy said there was no security stopping him at all.  The hotel might be saying that there was to CYA because of lawsuits.

http://tieryas.wordp...sa-lam-updates/

I also see in this it's not carpet in the hallway, it's tile.  Doesn't make much difference.  Pattern would not be repeated in exactly the same places.

Peter, you mentioned her actions.  Anyone else notice her steps are somewhat like a dancer, straight forward, then same length straight to the side and she does this repeatedly.  Not the way I would normally step out and to the side under duress.

Edited by Vincennes, 02 January 2014 - 06:02 PM.





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