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questionmark, on 14 December 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

See, according to the NRA everybody with $129.95 to buy himself a Saturday Night Special is the Militia....

Lol, I suppose that's true. I just find it interesting when you string all the bits of militia together... Sounds more like the passages are talking about police. I know that's probably just me looking at it funny, but if you replace the word militia with police.. I know, I'm odd.

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hacktorp, on 14 December 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

Plus one.  In fact, the president of the NRA strongly believes this latest elementary school horror in Connecticut could have been mitigated if all the kids were properly armed and trained to shoot back.

But then, he's an asswipe.

maybe not the kids but if the teachers were armed and knew how to use them how far would this dumb-ass have made it?

Blame the guns all you want there are millions of guns that will never kill a person. It's not the guns go to israel and see how many mass shootings they have. if you tried to pull this off in israel you would just end up getting shot it is a heavily armed and trained populance.
the way I see it the media is the biggest problem we have in this country. this dumb-ass that did the shooting will get his mug plastered all over the TV for the next god knows how long and the victims will only get a wimper.
the only reason these sickos do this is for attention and the media is more than happy to oblige. how about if they just refer to the shooter as dumb-ass from here on out don't give a name or indication of who he was. let's try that for a while everytime there is a shooting we glorify the victims and sweep the perp under the rug.

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MiskatonicGrad, on 14 December 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

maybe not the kids but if the teachers were armed and knew how to use them how far would this dumb-ass have made it?

Blame the guns all you want there are millions of guns that will never kill a person. It's not the guns go to israel and see how many mass shootings they have. if you tried to pull this off in israel you would just end up getting shot it is a heavily armed and trained populance.
the way I see it the media is the biggest problem we have in this country. this dumb-ass that did the shooting will get his mug plastered all over the TV for the next god knows how long and the victims will only get a wimper.
the only reason these sickos do this is for attention and the media is more than happy to oblige. how about if they just refer to the shooter as dumb-ass from here on out don't give a name or indication of who he was. let's try that for a while everytime there is a shooting we glorify the victims and sweep the perp under the rug.

The problem there is that "if the rabbit would not have stopped to **** he would have caught the rabbit".

But maybe that is the best to solve this weapon craziness once and for all: Arm all first graders and make it mandatory to bring the gun to class!

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MiskatonicGrad, on 14 December 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

maybe not the kids but if the teachers were armed and knew how to use them how far would this dumb-ass have made it?

Blame the guns all you want there are millions of guns that will never kill a person. It's not the guns go to israel and see how many mass shootings they have. if you tried to pull this off in israel you would just end up getting shot it is a heavily armed and trained populance.
the way I see it the media is the biggest problem we have in this country. this dumb-ass that did the shooting will get his mug plastered all over the TV for the next god knows how long and the victims will only get a wimper.
the only reason these sickos do this is for attention and the media is more than happy to oblige. how about if they just refer to the shooter as dumb-ass from here on out don't give a name or indication of who he was. let's try that for a while everytime there is a shooting we glorify the victims and sweep the perp under the rug.

Seriously?  This guy was carrying a .223 cal semi-automatic assault rifle.  That's essentially a weed-whacker for human flesh.  Miss Betty, 3rd grade teacher, fumbling in her purse for her .32 pistol  would have had six .223 slugs in her body before she even hit the floor.

Don't blame the guns...blame the gun industry who make sure every gap-toothed half-wit with two nickels to rub together has enough fire-power to take out 30 people in 10 minutes when life gets a little tough.

[aztek]

hacktorp, on 14 December 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

Seriously?  This guy was carrying a .223 cal semi-automatic assault rifle.  That's essentially a weed-whacker for human flesh.  Miss Betty, 3rd grade teacher, fumbling in her purse for her .32 pistol  would have had six .223 slugs in her body before she even hit the floor.

Don't blame the guns...blame the gun industry who make sure every gap-toothed half-wit with two nickels to rub together has enough fire-power to take out 30 people in 10 minutes when life gets a little tough.

nonsence. blame criminals.
gun industry just as responcible, as car makers for lethal dui

Edited by aztek, 14 December 2012 - 09:11 PM.

[ouija ouija]

Viewing things from this side of the 'pond'(UK), it seems clear to me that US citizens are prepared to put up with this kind of occurrence once in a while, just as long as they all get to keep their guns.

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Dredimus, on 14 December 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Ive come to the conclusion that you cant stop a criminal from getting their hands on a weapon if they want one. By setting up tighter regulations it will only make it harder for those that are resposible citizens to obtain firearms for legal purposes.

What do you mean by 'legal purposes'? Why shouldn't it be 'hard' to obtain a firearm?

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aztek, on 14 December 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

nonsence. blame criminals.
gun industry just as responcible, as car makers for lethal dui

I did.

Got gap?

[MiskatonicGrad]

hacktorp, on 14 December 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

Seriously?  This guy was carrying a .223 cal semi-automatic assault rifle.  That's essentially a weed-whacker for human flesh.  Miss Betty, 3rd grade teacher, fumbling in her purse for her .32 pistol  would have had six .223 slugs in her body before she even hit the floor.

Don't blame the guns...blame the gun industry who make sure every gap-toothed half-wit with two nickels to rub together has enough fire-power to take out 30 people in 10 minutes when life gets a little tough.

And therein lies the problem it is not the gap-toothed half-wits that are doing these shootings. let's see Colorado shooter had a college education, Virginia-Tech well he was in college. so what is your point miss betty third grade teacher was not the only resposible adult in the building or the only one to take a bullet if just one of the adult victims would of been armed and trained to use it the outcome would of been different. but that was not my main point I said the Media needs to shoulder some of the blame for the mass-shootings. the idiots that do this stuff are looking for attention and the media provides it

[Thanato]

Funny fact, no US Citizen has the right to own a firearm. The second admendment apears to be directed towards members of the National Guard or the Army Reserve (both of which can be considered Well Regulated and Organized Militias.

~Thanato

[aztek]

ouija ouija, on 14 December 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

What do you mean by 'legal purposes'? Why shouldn't it be 'hard' to obtain a firearm?

legal purpose, hunting    target shooting\self\home\property defence.it should not be hard, cuz making it harder, does't change a thing. we tried it.

Edited by aztek, 14 December 2012 - 09:27 PM.

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Thanato, on 14 December 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Funny fact, no US Citizen has the right to own a firearm. The second admendment apears to be directed towards members of the National Guard or the Army Reserve (both of which can be considered Well Regulated and Organized Militias.

~Thanato

actually it is compleate opposite, read up early pages in this thread, someone explained it already.

[aztek]

hacktorp, on 14 December 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

I did.

Got gap?

no you didn't. you flipped the blame. get well soon.

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Thanato, on 14 December 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Funny fact, no US Citizen has the right to own a firearm. The second admendment apears to be directed towards members of the National Guard or the Army Reserve (both of which can be considered Well Regulated and Organized Militias.

~Thanato

this will help think of the Bill of Rigths as the Bill of Limitations. in that we as american citizens are not granted rights from the goverment(we have them already) and the first 10 ammendments pointed out the rights the goverment couldn't infringe on.

Edited by MiskatonicGrad, 14 December 2012 - 09:31 PM.

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We already have enough gun laws on the books and that doesn’t stop the killing.  Even if you take away all the guns, the creative mind still bent on killing will find a way to do so, so we’ll have to take away all the knives, bow and arrows, cars, etc.  The first thing that we need to realize is that there is no guarantee in life.  One needs to be prepared to die every day.  Is it any worse to die from a crazy person with a gun or a car accident?  This is a violent world, we should embrace death.  Once we get beyond that, then we can truly face this problem.

I said the following in another thread – I should have read this thread first   The reason that we see more and more gun crimes is that more and more Americans are becoming Takers.  And by doing so they renege on their Rights and Responsibilities.  And because of that, these would-be killers feel that they are victims.  How do you fix that?  The only way I know how is to empower them in their Rights and Responsibilities.  We need bring back into the schools, teaching that there are consequences to your actions.

Now if we are all forced to purchase Obamacare, then why not force everyone to purchase a gun and be required to take live fire combat training??  That may not be smart but parents that own guns can certainly teach their children how to respect firearms.  In boot camp, we would sleep with our rifles.  Parents could have their children do the same for a week and then take them to a firing range and actually experience the effect of firing one.  But following up on the lead thought in this paragraph, if more and more adults that want to carry a firearm (concealed or not) anywhere (courthouse, aircraft, etc), then they need to qualify in proper use and live fire combat training.  We all need to be prepared and equip to deal with life.