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Did man and dinosaur co-exist?


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#76    Harsh86_Patel

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:44 PM

View PostQuaentum, on 17 September 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

Evolution observed in the laboratory

http://www.newscient...in-the-lab.html
Very good i was waiting for someone to bring out this experiment.
Now this experiment demonstrates that a particular strain of E.Coli started digesting citrate after 20,000 generation,it does not mention what other treatments the bacteria were subjected to and does not say that E.Coli evolved into another species (as such a claim would have made scientists laugh).Second of all i don't deny that 'variations' and 'adaptations' happen but random evolution of new genes is not yet been observed.I am waiting for further studies that determine what were the genetic changes that made Mr.Lenski's E.coli digest citrate permanently in aerobic condition to answer a simple question that was there already a gene (which was switched off) to code for a enzyme for digestion of citrate present in the E.coli which got turned on permanently and was not being regulated due to a mutation?
http://creation.com/...igesting-e-coli

Please read and evaluate the facts in the article,don't go on the website posting it.


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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:49 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 17 September 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

Do you know recent studies have shown that evolution of bacterial resistance to antibiotics never happened,the genes that give antibiotic resistance were found in bacterial cultures taken from very old frozen stocks before we started wide scale use of particular antibiotics.This means that some bacteria always had resistance to these antibiotics and over the period of time our constant use of antibiotics has killed the rest but the one's which 'always had the resistance genes' are the ones alive and multiplying.
Though the example yoiu gave shows that you are ready to think,since you don't like creationist website which have hence 'the bible is right' inference,here are a few more issues you can look into.
http://www.programme...ion_issues.html

If our other resident biologist Copacetic were here, he'd be the first to point out that evolution occurs in populations, not individuals, much like every thread you start seems to gradually develop into nothing but evolution discussion.

Speaking of which, there already at least two rather long threads dealing directly with evolution and abiogenesis. You might want to give them a read instead.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 03:22 PM

I'm dissapointed that this thread went into the evolution argument territory instead of what dinosaur would be most effective for riding/awesome jousting tournaments.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 04:12 PM

View PostHasina, on 17 September 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

I'm dissapointed that this thread went into the evolution argument territory instead of what dinosaur would be most effective for riding/awesome jousting tournaments.

That's because its long been established FACT that triceratops is the best mount.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 04:58 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 17 September 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

Do you know recent studies have shown that evolution of bacterial resistance to antibiotics never happened,the genes that give antibiotic resistance were found in bacterial cultures taken from very old frozen stocks before we started wide scale use of particular antibiotics.This means that some bacteria always had resistance to these antibiotics and over the period of time our constant use of antibiotics has killed the rest but the one's which 'always had the resistance genes' are the ones alive and multiplying.
Though the example yoiu gave shows that you are ready to think,since you don't like creationist website which have hence 'the bible is right' inference,here are a few more issues you can look into.
http://www.programme...ion_issues.html

also called "Survival of the Fittest"... proves Darwin to a tee.... Those bacteria able to survive in such a hostile environment actually survived!!


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 05:08 AM

View Postkeithisco, on 17 September 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

also called "Survival of the Fittest"... proves Darwin to a tee.... Those bacteria able to survive in such a hostile environment actually survived!!
If survival of the fittest is true in an absolute sense then why do multiple species co-exist?Survival of the fittest cannot be seen as an individual agent.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 05:10 AM

As someone pointed out let us not turn this into a evolution vs logic and science debate.
Lets talk about the results that were got when these dino fossils were carbon dated,is the process of carbon dating easily susceptible to contamination and hence fallible and not completely reliable or dinosaurs did co-exixt with man.


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 05:17 AM

View PostThe Mule, on 17 September 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

That's because its long been established FACT that triceratops is the best mount.

I thought everybody knew that already?

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 05:21 AM

Gotta love that revisionist history
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 01:50 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 17 September 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:


Yep, because when I want real science, I turn to godandscience.org.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 03:33 PM

welcome back Emma. long time no see posts.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 08:42 PM

View PostHasina, on 17 September 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

I'm dissapointed that this thread went into the evolution argument territory instead of what dinosaur would be most effective for riding/awesome jousting tournamensts.
Pacyrhinocephalus would be a good contender for a jousting mount...


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:07 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 18 September 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

Pacyrhinocephalus would be a good contender for a jousting mount...
Only if he wore a hat, right?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 03:30 AM

I'd use a Utahraptor, way cooler then any of y'all's picks.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 08:16 AM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 18 September 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

welcome back Emma. long time no see posts.
We want the virtirol dripping occam's razor.

Ha, hey you too! I've been around, occasionally poked out of my forum-lurking by the odd infuriating logic-lacking thread... :D

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