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#1    ExpandMyMind

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:29 PM

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Rumors regarding the next round of consoles are always taken with a grain of salt, but when a respected gaming publication like Edge prints details about the new hardware, you tend to take a bit more notice. And what Edge has learned is not going to make gamers rush out and buy the next Xbox.

With the launch of the Xbox 720 Microsoft is expected to completely wipe out the used gaming market. The reason being the console will be an always-connected device that will require a constant connection to the next version of Xbox Live in order to function.

The games will be made available to buy through Xbox Live or in physical form using a 50GB Blu-ray disc format and a one-time use activation code. The leaked specs of the machine are also accurate, with Microsoft choosing to use an 1.6GHz 8-core AMD processor, 800MHz GPU, and 8GB RAM. We can also expect the next generation of Kinect hardware, but this will again be a separate product gamers can choose to buy.

http://www.geek.com/...nction-2013026/

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Xbox 720 could block second-hand games

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The next Xbox console will reportedly block second-hand gaming thanks to a combination of permanent internet connectivity and game activation codes.

Edge magazine notes that, although the console will still have the capacity to play games issued in physical form, these games could ship with activation codes effectively tethering them to the initial user's account.

The reports come courtesy of the publication's sources working on projects related to the next-gen console.

"Microsoft has asked itself what kind of consumer is going to buy its next Xbox and surmised that it's the kind of consumer with a decent internet connection," said Neil Long, online editor of Edge, as reported in the Guardian. "Like the App Store and Steam, the next Xbox will be download-first, one account, one purchase, one storefront system. It will offer far greater flexibility on pricing, but games players are used to thinking in terms of £40 to £50 games in boxes. Microsoft could have a difficult time explaining that games will now be tethered to one account."

http://www.wired.co....x-720-games-drm

If either of these turn out to be true then I'll definitely be switching to the new Playstation, assuming they don't go down the same road.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:41 PM

I don't think they would be able to legally enforce that, since you have a consumer gurrantee of a refund hence it would screw the one owner scheme in most cases of a refund. Unless they were working on new laws to govern internet gaming retail policies it just seems farfetched.
Instant flaw in the whole design, that and a lot of business will be looking to sue for damages, under the monopoly act. Xbox cannot force that you can only buy from them and them only and knock out the all middle men just remember a fair bunch of the stores that sell games are owned by the big wig corp ceo's they'll lose their whole business for boys 5+ and some girls, parents won't go out of their way to shop for presents because they can order the newest games straight from the telly, which in saying that also causes damages to sales for business the regular customer would have seen whilst doing that shop for little johnny and jenny. Well they can in ways enforce it, but whether under those circumstances it would not be a global console or a very limited access system, as the entire globe has not got an internet connection nor does most of the world have a decent speed on their connection. Yes you can say wireless internet technologies, but these are even slower and less reliable. As good as it looks, I doubt it'd happen because of all the red tape it would cause. It'd be like Microsoft damanding that from now on all PC Games be bought on microsoft.com .

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:50 PM

I is possible that it could just be a rumour started by someone at Playstation.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:28 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 09 February 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:

I is possible that it could just be a rumour started by someone at Playstation.


Well Sony/Playstation is going for this method as well supposedly. So I wouldn't be too sure on that.

Companies like EA want this as well. A lot fo the high up corperate companies ar ebacking this sort of thing. The whole SOPA was part of it as well. EA wanted to use SOPA to close down steam because it is taking so amny sales awya from Origin, which sucks in comparison to steam.

Edited by Coffey, 09 February 2013 - 02:29 PM.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:35 PM

Gone are the good and innocent days of gaming.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:01 PM

View PostCoffey, on 09 February 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

Well Sony/Playstation is going for this method as well supposedly. So I wouldn't be too sure on that.

Companies like EA want this as well. A lot fo the high up corperate companies ar ebacking this sort of thing. The whole SOPA was part of it as well. EA wanted to use SOPA to close down steam because it is taking so amny sales awya from Origin, which sucks in comparison to steam.

It's shocking. You should be able to buy any product and sell it; like a chair or a video or computer. If I had to pay £40 for every game then I can assure you I wouldn't waste the money. £40 for 30 hours worth of play? Less with most games out there? The only reason I spend the money on most games is because I can get them second hand for 5-15 quid. They expect us to pay a bucket-load for a game that will be played for a week then sit on a shelf for 20 years, useless.

I'll pay full price for a brand new game of quality, like Mass Effect, Halo, CoD. Games that you will actually play all throughout a year.

This is literally robbing the value of a game.

Edited by ExpandMyMind, 09 February 2013 - 03:05 PM.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:52 PM

The truth is that you don't buy a game.

You buy a licensing agreement that allows you to personally run the software. You never have ownership of the individual bits and bytes.

They're called EULA's for a reason. Just no-one ever bothers to read them.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 04:06 PM

View PostTiggs, on 09 February 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

The truth is that you don't buy a game.

You buy a licensing agreement that allows you to personally run the software. You never have ownership of the individual bits and bytes.

They're called EULA's for a reason. Just no-one ever bothers to read them.

Sure, it is the disk that you own (and that is what I was referring to when I said 'game'), but do the agreements forbid people from re-selling the actual disk? Or forbid you from taking it to a friend's house to play?


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:18 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 09 February 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

Sure, it is the disk that you own (and that is what I was referring to when I said 'game'), but do the agreements forbid people from re-selling the actual disk? Or forbid you from taking it to a friend's house to play?

Depends which country you're in. The EULA generally forbids resale. Currently, the US courts have upheld that, while the EU courts have ruled otherwise.




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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:42 PM

View PostTiggs, on 09 February 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

Depends which country you're in. The EULA generally forbids resale. Currently, the US courts have upheld that, while the EU courts have ruled otherwise.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the info.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:48 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 09 February 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

It's shocking. You should be able to buy any product and sell it; like a chair or a video or computer. If I had to pay £40 for every game then I can assure you I wouldn't waste the money. £40 for 30 hours worth of play? Less with most games out there? The only reason I spend the money on most games is because I can get them second hand for 5-15 quid. They expect us to pay a bucket-load for a game that will be played for a week then sit on a shelf for 20 years, useless.

I'll pay full price for a brand new game of quality, like Mass Effect, Halo, CoD. Games that you will actually play all throughout a year.

This is literally robbing the value of a game.


Completely agree, I only buy high end multiplayers now to be honest.

Unless a game has one hell of a story i hardly buy game swith only a single palyer campaign. Unless they are mega cheap.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:12 AM

This will suck. I buy all of my games secondhand. A new game costs between $50-60 bucks here in the States and considering that one of my favorite genres is FPS and nowadays cater to multiplayer online rather than single player campaigns.

These on average what like 10 hour games for the serious gamer. Naturally takes me longer as I am not a serious gamer. But still, I dont want to pay $50-60 bucks for a game I will play for like 2-3 days. No way!

Luckily, RPGs are my other favorite genre and better ones can offer weeks worth of gaming just to complete it.  

If XBox goes this route I think they will destroy their marketbase IMO.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:16 AM

Dont buy it. Theres a bunch of FTP and thatll teach em. You teach em with your wallet


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:35 AM

View PostAsteroidX, on 10 February 2013 - 06:16 AM, said:

Dont buy it. Theres a bunch of FTP and thatll teach em. You teach em with your wallet

If these rumours ring true... I am switching to Playstation for sure.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:00 PM

View PostB Jenkins, on 10 February 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

If these rumours ring true... I am switching to Playstation for sure.

Sony/Playstation already stated they are doing this Months ago. lol

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