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#196    AsteroidX

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:37 PM

It appears they were trying to squeak DHS handling of drones in US airspace by DHS operators using an FAA safety act update as there qualifier. The House member from Texas stopped it dead. Or if someone more politically savvy can interpret this be my guess.

http://www.fas.org/i...drone-thud.html


It would also be prudent to note drones are being used to apprehend US citizens. This one os a bit out of date however still pertinent to US firing on citizens.

http://www.usnews.co...merican-citizen

Edited by AsteroidX, 09 February 2013 - 10:40 PM.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:49 PM

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:50 AM

Ive got a question:
Do you think its ok to fly helicopters over cities to observe them?

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:52 AM

Helicopters are not drones. Fact


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:00 AM

One has to admire the sheer absurdity of this administration: At home, they coddle their terrorists with the most elaborate protections of the law, yet abroad they practise remote-controlled summary executions by push-button, without any verification and legal checks whatsoever.

Kafka would love it.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:19 AM

View PostStellar, on 10 February 2013 - 02:50 AM, said:

Ive got a question:
Do you think its ok to fly helicopters over cities to observe them?
Hell (insert your favorite vulgarism) No!  It is okay to fly helicopters to observe traffic, it is okay to fly helicopters to observe 'situations'...it is NOT okay to observe the goings on of the American People via any means.  Camera are one thing...but just hovering around 'watching' people...NO!  Hell No!  Ditto with drones or planes or anything else including just cops eyeing me!  If there is a situation...Prez is in town...big game...high crime area in parking lots...that's one thing..but no..the government shouldn't Watch the people...the people should however Watch the government!

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:43 AM

View PostAsteroidX, on 10 February 2013 - 02:52 AM, said:

Helicopters are not drones. Fact

Thats not what I asked.

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Hell (insert your favorite vulgarism) No! It is okay to fly helicopters to observe traffic, it is okay to fly helicopters to observe 'situations'...it is NOT okay to observe the goings on of the American People via any means. Camera are one thing...but just hovering around 'watching' people...NO! Hell No! Ditto with drones or planes or anything else including just cops eyeing me! If there is a situation...Prez is in town...big game...high crime area in parking lots...that's one thing..but no..the government shouldn't Watch the people...the people should however Watch the government!

So you want all the police sitting at the police station waiting for a call?
Police drive around observing for crimes being comitted. Helicopters fly in the air observing for crimes being comitted as well.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:54 AM

Theres currently bounties available for the downing or capturing of a drone in US airspace. So noone here (America) cares about your opinion on there usefulness. We dont want them spying on our sex lives end of story.

In case you didnt read it the first time read it this time.

http://www.fas.org/i...drone-thud.html


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:02 AM

View PostAsteroidX, on 10 February 2013 - 03:54 AM, said:

Theres currently bounties available for the downing or capturing of a drone in US airspace. So noone here (America) cares about your opinion on there usefulness. We dont want them spying on our sex lives end of story.

In case you didnt read it the first time read it this time.

http://www.fas.org/i...drone-thud.html

I'm simply asking some questions. Why do you consider drones flying overhead to be "spying", but helicopters flying overhead arent?

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:06 AM

View PostWoIverine, on 30 January 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

One thing I haven't seen many people mention is that if there's an eventual economic collapse...the government might not be able to pay the police.


No. The government will always be "able to pay the police". That they are trashing the currency and the economy in the process is a different story, but a government is always, by definition, able to maintain the organs that the state itself functioning.
In fact, the LAST people who are going starve in even a total economic collapse would be the government employees.

Just study some history and learn how these things play out.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:27 AM

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I'm simply asking some questions. Why do you consider drones flying overhead to be "spying", but helicopters flying overhead arent?

Helicopters dont typically have the option to carry a hellfire missile. Itleast not the ones flying over the USA.


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:31 AM

View PostStellar, on 10 February 2013 - 03:43 AM, said:

Thats not what I asked.



So you want all the police sitting at the police station waiting for a call?
Police drive around observing for crimes being comitted. Helicopters fly in the air observing for crimes being comitted as well.
I guess there is a fine line between Patrolling and Trolling.  I don't like our government...it's out of control and I don't trust it...so no...I want the police doing their job..but the idea of 'watching' the people is different from the idea of 'watching for crimes'.  

But wait a minute...maybe I need to relook at all of that...because...we do live in America ...the most vile, violent, and immoral country on the globe...with the possible exceptions of The Congo.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:16 AM

Mexico tops the list, followed by Honduras I think.


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:51 AM

View PostAsteroidX, on 10 February 2013 - 04:27 AM, said:



Helicopters dont typically have the option to carry a hellfire missile. Itleast not the ones flying over the USA.

So if the drones are unarmed it's ok?

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:54 AM

View Postjoc, on 10 February 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:


I guess there is a fine line between Patrolling and Trolling.  I don't like our government...it's out of control and I don't trust it...so no...I want the police doing their job..but the idea of 'watching' the people is different from the idea of 'watching for crimes'.  

But wait a minute...maybe I need to relook at all of that...because...we do live in America ...the most vile, violent, and immoral country on the globe...with the possible exceptions of The Congo.

So why do you think drones are watching specific people? And why do you think helicopters are incapable of doing that?

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