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[Bavarian Raven]

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how many of those taxes affect the average person in any measurable way? dang few. This is a lot of whining about nothing.

well wasnt it advertised there would be no tax hikes? (this coming from a canadian). but if this was the case, then there is something to whine about.

[F3SS]

ninjadude, on 13 December 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

how many of those taxes affect the average person in any measurable way? dang few. This is a lot of whining about nothing.

That's entirely inaccurate but one thing is for sure. There are a great many that affect the people in charge of our health and our jobs. There will be a trickle down effect.

Bavarian Raven, on 13 December 2012 - 02:33 AM, said:

well wasnt it advertised there would be no tax hikes? (this coming from a canadian). but if this was the case, then there is something to whine about.

ninjas reply above is going to be the new argument.

[RavenHawk]

-Mr_Fess-, on 13 December 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

There will be a trickle down effect.

That's entirely wrong - don't you know.  Trickle down doesn't exist for a Socialist.

[F3SS]

#17 & #18, you're going to feel those ones.

[RavenHawk]

-Mr_Fess-, on 13 December 2012 - 04:35 AM, said:

#17 & #18, you're going to feel those ones.

Yeah, those two are going to make things real interesting.  With #17, it would be cheaper to take the penalty tax, then let Obamacare pick up the rest.  Right now, I can't afford Obamacare without going broke.  And with #18, how much you want to bet that employers with more than 50 employees will be setting their hours to part time.  The new norm will be that everyone that can still find work will have at least two part-time jobs.

[DieChecker]

ninjadude, on 13 December 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

how many of those taxes affect the average person in any measurable way? dang few. This is a lot of whining about nothing.

Almost everyone I know uses a HSA, and those are in like 5 of those taxes. Also many of the people I know have medical conditions that easily exceed that 7.5% threshhold for a tax credit, and now it will be 10%. Which is very likely to add up to several thousand dollars difference, and hundreds of dollars in tax rebate. Also I use Blueshield, so that is probably going up too.

Maybe those on unemployment, welfare, food stamps and social security will not be affected? But, many in the great masses of Tax Paying Citizens are going to feel the pinch of these taxes.

[ninjadude]

Bavarian Raven, on 13 December 2012 - 02:33 AM, said:

well wasnt it advertised there would be no tax hikes?

certainly not. First, there was no advertiseing. Second, anyone that read the law or summaries about it knows about the taxes to fund it.

[ninjadude]

-Mr_Fess-, on 13 December 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

There are a great many that affect the people in charge of our health and our jobs. There will be a trickle down effect.

really? And your track record on forecasting the future is what again?

[ninjadude]

-Mr_Fess-, on 13 December 2012 - 04:35 AM, said:

#17 & #18, you're going to feel those ones.

17 - this is an INCENTIVE to purchase health care insurance. You won't feel it if you do what most other Americans already do. Buy insurance.

18 - see answer above but for businesses.

[ninjadude]

RavenHawk, on 13 December 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

With #17, it would be cheaper to take the penalty tax, then let Obamacare pick up the rest.

Sorry. It doesn't work like that. So if you think that, you're going to be disappointed. And probably bankrupt. Buy insurance.

[ninjadude]

DieChecker, on 13 December 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

Almost everyone I know uses a HSA, and those are in like 5 of those taxes. Also many of the people I know have medical conditions that easily exceed that 7.5% threshhold for a tax credit, and now it will be 10%.

It must be different for different companies. In places I've worked almost no one used an HSA. Maybe Startravelor will jump in. I suspect the "plans" offered that are "legal" are still being ironed out. Will we still have HSAs?

The 10% thing will hurt those that use it. A small number of people.

[Michelle]

ninjadude, on 13 December 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

17 - this is an INCENTIVE to purchase health care insurance. You won't feel it if you do what most other Americans already do. Buy insurance.

So the people that make one dollar more, so they can't be on government assistance, will still have to fork out more than they can afford to pay either way.

Edited by Michelle, 13 December 2012 - 10:46 PM.

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RavenHawk, on 13 December 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

Yeah, those two are going to make things real interesting.  With #17, it would be cheaper to take the penalty tax, then let Obamacare pick up the rest.  Right now, I can't afford Obamacare without going broke.  And with #18, how much you want to bet that employers with more than 50 employees will be setting their hours to part time.  The new norm will be that everyone that can still find work will have at least two part-time jobs.

You know what else was interesting I didn't know? The fines employers pay on uninsured employees are going to be allowed as write-offs anymore. It's counted toward gross income. That's bs. Insurance costs or fines, either one is a cost of doing business which should always be deductible. A giant ass-raping is all this bill is.

DieChecker, on 13 December 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

Almost everyone I know uses a HSA, and those are in like 5 of those taxes. Also many of the people I know have medical conditions that easily exceed that 7.5% threshhold for a tax credit, and now it will be 10%. Which is very likely to add up to several thousand dollars difference, and hundreds of dollars in tax rebate. Also I use Blueshield, so that is probably going up too.

Maybe those on unemployment, welfare, food stamps and social security will not be affected? But, many in the great masses of Tax Paying Citizens are going to feel the pinch of these taxes.

What's new there? The rich can afford it, the broke don't have to. Who get's the raw deal here? Oh, but Ojagoff is all about the middle class...

ninjadude, on 13 December 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

17 - this is an INCENTIVE to purchase health care insurance. You won't feel it if you do what most other Americans already do. Buy insurance.

18 - see answer above but for businesses.

Yep, nothing gets me motivated like getting several thousand dollar fines punishable by imprisonment to get me going in the morning. Especially ones I neither asked for nor deserved. Just wait till you hear the wrath from all the people who have no idea what's coming which I presume will be half the country. I'd argue most Americans don't buy insurance on their own so much as they do because they get it cheaply through their jobs. If it weren't for that I guarantee far less people would buy it. Up until now, I had to spend money to live the way I feel like living. Now, I and everybody over 26 has to spend money just for the simple act of being alive. What's American about that? And why do you want to hurt businesses? You crow and crow about lack of jobs yet jump for joy every time the gov impedes job growth. You can't blame every lost job on Baine. Their reach is far less than that of the governments.

And what was that comment about me predicting the future and being wrong? The election? I never made any assurances about that. I only hoped he'd have lost. I never said for sure he would.

[F3SS]

Here's a song for those of us getting screwed...

[Michelle]

You've got good taste in music, bud...and I agree. It seems like those of us that have busted our butts all of our lives, without any help, are going to be jacked.