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Mahmoud Abbas: "Jesus was 'Palestinian"


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#1    Erikl

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 10:02 PM

Abbas in Christmas message: Jesus was 'Palestinian messenger,' role model

'We celebrate Christmas in Bethlehem under occupation,' the Palestinian Authority president said in his statement from Ramallah, reiterating commitment to peace deal.


http://www.haaretz.c...e-east/1.564989


The Palestinian national narrative is built upon denying the Jewish connection to the land. They claim all sorts of bogus claims about history, but this one actually made me think: does this mean that the Palestinians finally recognizes that Jews lived in Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Nazareth, all part of what they claim to be "eternal" Palestine since times immemorial, 2000 years ago? :P

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 10:50 PM

If he thinks Jesus was a role model, then he's going about following that role model all wrong.
The man wouldn't throw a rock let alone a Molotov Cocktail.

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 11:13 PM

 Sir Wearer of Hats, on 25 December 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:

If he thinks Jesus was a role model, then he's going about following that role model all wrong.
The man wouldn't throw a rock let alone a Molotov Cocktail.
John 2:15. He'd braid a whip and toss a table though.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 12:05 AM

 RedSquirrel, on 25 December 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:

John 2:15. He'd braid a whip and toss a table though.
Or bear a shameful Roman cross though he didn't have to ... and that WAS for peace.  For us all.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 12:37 AM

 and then, on 26 December 2013 - 12:05 AM, said:

Or bear a shameful Roman cross though he didn't have to ... and that WAS for peace.  For us all.
I agree. I do not think of Him as a violent Man, but one who would do what needed to be done to clean up His Father's house.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:06 AM

 RedSquirrel, on 25 December 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:

John 2:15. He'd braid a whip and toss a table though.
Braiding a whip is a good way to make you fingers more nimble.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:18 AM

 RedSquirrel, on 26 December 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

I agree. I do not think of Him as a violent Man, but one who would do what needed to be done to clean up His Father's house.
Like the Golden Rule, Separation of Church and State, turning the other cheek, and letting he who's without sin cast the first stone.   Not a whole lot for Zionist ideology to choose from there.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:44 AM

 Yamato, on 27 December 2013 - 02:18 AM, said:

Like the Golden Rule, Separation of Church and State, turning the other cheek, and letting he who's without sin cast the first stone.   Not a whole lot for Zionist ideology to choose from there.
Yes, and not a single one applies to your beloved Palis either - so your point would be?

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 04:12 AM

 and then, on 27 December 2013 - 02:44 AM, said:

Yes, and not a single one applies to your beloved Palis either - so your point would be?
Why would I insist or expect non-Christians to act Christian?  That's your job!  How many of those teachings do you emulate?   None.   Christianity-FAIL.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 06:06 AM

"We celebrate Christmas in Bethlehem under occupation" said Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 06:24 AM

 Erikl, on 25 December 2013 - 10:02 PM, said:

The Palestinian national narrative is built upon denying the Jewish connection to the land. They claim all sorts of bogus claims about history, but this one actually made me think: does this mean that the Palestinians finally recognizes that Jews lived in Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Nazareth, all part of what they claim to be "eternal" Palestine since times immemorial, 2000 years ago? :P
Ancient maps prove otherwise.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 12:30 PM

 Yamato, on 27 December 2013 - 06:24 AM, said:

Ancient maps prove otherwise.

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Source?

Also, look at the date, at the bottom - "c. 100 A.D.".

c. = circa, which is not wrong, since the Romans eradicated Judea off the maps after the Roman-Jewish War of 135 A.D., and renamed it to Philistia (which was only the Philistine cities on the southern shore). They later incorporated it into already existing Roman province of Syria to the north.

The Philistine were not Palestinians, they were a greek speaking people from Crete who colonized the southern shore. They disappeared (probably exiled) after the Babylonian took over the area around the 6th century BC. To the Greeks, who dealt a lot with the Philistines, this thin shoreline was still named Philistia. The Romans, familiar with Jewish narrative, especially chose the name Palestina (Philistia in Latin) both to humiliate the Jews (that their land is now named after their arch-nemesis from the old testament) and also to eradicate any Jewish association with the land.

On the other hand, these are map of ancient Judah, which was an independent kingdom for almost 500 years with few centuries of foreign occupations. since at least 930 BC until 135 A.D is was named Judah/Judea/Iudea/Yehuda. It was also named like that while under foreign occupations of Babylonians, Persians, Greeks and Romans. It is where the Jewish people, and ethno-religious group, was created, where it's formative years were passed, and the last place it flourished culturally and spiritually and not as a persecuted, marginal minority.

Kingdom of Judah - 930 B.C - 586 B.C:

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Yehud-Medinata ("State of Judea" in Aramaic), after the Cyrus declaration, as part of the Persian empire - 539 B.C - 332 B.C (in pink):

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Hasmonean Kingdom of Judah, 140-37 B.C (independent kingdom):

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Herodian Kingdom of Judah, still independent, but a client kingdom of the Romans, 37 BC - 4 BC:

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Iudea Province, part of the Roman empire, until 135 A.D:

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The reasons you call it Palestine is because of Roman influence on the Western culture. This is the same reason why you call Germany that way (the Romans call it "Germania").

Perhaps some of the Palestinians are descendant of ancient Jews. But they have lost any connection to that heritage and are now part of the same ethnic group that constitutes the majority which encompass the entire middle east, from Morocco to Iraq, that is - Sunni Muslim Arab/Arabized people. This ethnic group has 22 separate states. Now they want a 23. No problem, just stop denying other people the right to their historical places.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 12:55 PM

If this nonsense and bullsiht ends up causing one of my children to have to go fight in that wasteland, I'm going to be extremely upset.


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:13 PM

Maybe he ( Abbas ) said this just to heat up things. Well, most likely he did. I think so because we in Bosnia and Herzegovina are constantly bombarded with things that heat up ethnic relationships - only reason behind it is to divide and rule ( old and prooven strategy - best one ) - 2% of leaders enjoy life while rest of people fight to earn enough for living. And i must mention, we celebrate all holidays together, no matter who follow what religion. Its called respect and only from respect there can be happines and success.

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