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[Myles]

C'mon.   Anyone who cannot admit that Ancient Aliens is only entertainment is not thinking logically.

[DONTEATUS]

WHats it all about ? Did anyone get the proof that E.T built this stuff yet ?
I didnt think so !
Oh  ! And Santa`s Gotta be an Alien ! just Look at the History,Flying craft,Time it takes him to get-er-Done ? The Proof is in the Cookies !

Edited by DONTEATUS, 09 December 2012 - 04:08 AM.

[badeskov]

Myles, on 09 December 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:

C'mon.   Anyone who cannot admit that Ancient Aliens is only entertainment is not thinking logically.

Frankly, I don't even find it remotely entertaining.

Cheers,
Badeskov

[zoser]

Abramelin, on 08 December 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

Zoser, you are not giving the Peruvian people credit for what they and their ancestors were capable of.

We now may not know exactly  how they did it, but the Spanish conquistadores knew and were present when these Incas were on the job.

Because you and I are no stone workers, that doesn't mean aliens were needed using 'advanced technology' to construct those buildings.

I too have respect for the ancient indiginous people.  That's why I believe what they say:

1) They denied building the megalithic structures.
2) A previous culture existed before they did.

That's what respect means to me.

Please don't look to me make some kind of 'reformation'.  It's not going to happen.  The AA hypothesis is only becoming more not less popular; more books and more documentaries than ever are now being made.

I too read Von D decades ago.  Since then he has been well supported by scores of like minded scientific people.  I have been on this forum for over 3 years and I have never moved one inch from my original convictions and nor will I do so.

In my previous role I was an engineer and I did this for 23 years.  I know what it takes to quarry, move, finish and position hundred tonne blocks and I know it is beyond the capability of people just emergent from the stone age.

It's a very simple adding up process.  

So respect?  Yes I have it.  Let the Inca tell you what happened not the school historians.

Edited by zoser, 09 December 2012 - 08:49 AM.

[zoser]

Abramelin, on 08 December 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

Von Däniken?

He is a known fraud.

He was even convicted and put in jail because of it.

And he also admitted to have lied. Why? Because he wanted his message to get across.

How many archaeologists have been imprisoned?  What were they imprisoned for?  Don't forget that Von D is now only one of scores of people saying the same thing.  Very serious full time researchers.  Brien Foerster being another good example.

Abramelin, on 08 December 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

What you think of Santa?

Is he real or not?

Show me his megaliths walls.

Edited by zoser, 09 December 2012 - 08:58 AM.

[zoser]

Abramelin, on 08 December 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

Archeological evidence of some unknown, and non-understandble technology.

And up to now, there is none.

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Abe I have provided you with testimony, artefact, reasoning, supporting scientific argument from other men time and time again.  Whether you choose to believe it is your divine right which I respect.  

Archaeologists just cherry pick facts and research.   If some fellow researcher isn't in their club they will reject it.  Hawass being a very good example.

[theSOURCE]

zoser, on 09 December 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

*snip*
I have been on this forum for over 3 years and I have never moved one inch from my original convictions and nor will I do so.

That reads like a perfect example of a closed mind. I guess the debate's over and it's time to move on.


edit for typos

Edited by theSOURCE, 09 December 2012 - 09:03 AM.

[Imaginarynumber1]

Gaden, on 09 December 2012 - 03:16 AM, said:

Three excellent clips on the subject. Definitive, actually. I present them knowing full well only the sceptics will watch...
Done by supersoylent, who has a great sense of humor and way with words. If you can't stand profanity, don't watch. Thanks goes to Abremelin, on who's blog I first saw these. Enjoy.

Part 2 was great. It called out AA on a bunch of the BS they put forth that gets parroted here.

[the L]

Myles, on 09 December 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:

C'mon.   Anyone who cannot admit that Ancient Aliens is only entertainment is not thinking logically.

Show Ancient Aliens is entertainment. It is show in the end. I just dont know how historical community so far didnt ask that they clearly announce that isnt educational program but rather entertainment.

But I dont see nothing wrong about idea itself. Of all that historical accounts only one needs to be true.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

zoser, on 09 December 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

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In my previous role I was an engineer and I did this for 23 years.  I know what it takes to quarry, move, finish and position hundred tonne blocks and I know it is beyond the capability of people just emergent from the stone age.

which simply reinforces my theory that they were built by an undocumented (or perhaps unacknowledged is a better word) human culture.
Or perhaps the legend of Princess Scota of Egypt and her entorage making it to the Americas isn't as mad as it seemed.

I see no need for aliens when the wit and ingenuity of man would suffice.

[Abramelin]

zoser, on 09 December 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

I too have respect for the ancient indiginous people.  That's why I believe what they say:

1) They denied building the megalithic structures.
2) A previous culture existed before they did.

That's what respect means to me.

Please don't look to me make some kind of 'reformation'.  It's not going to happen.  The AA hypothesis is only becoming more not less popular; more books and more documentaries than ever are now being made.

I too read Von D decades ago.  Since then he has been well supported by scores of like minded scientific people.  I have been on this forum for over 3 years and I have never moved one inch from my original convictions and nor will I do so.

In my previous role I was an engineer and I did this for 23 years.  I know what it takes to quarry, move, finish and position hundred tonne blocks and I know it is beyond the capability of people just emergent from the stone age.

It's a very simple adding up process.  

So respect?  Yes I have it.  Let the Inca tell you what happened not the school historians.

"1) They denied building the megalithic structures"

They denied builiding Tiwanaku, not  the buildings in Peru.

2) A previous culture existed before they did.

The Incas conquered many tribes that existed before they came into existense, yes.

The AA hypothesis is only becoming more not less popular; more books and more documentaries than ever are now being made.

Popularity is not the same as credibility. A 100 million people thinking the earth is flat doesn't make it a truth.

I too read Von D decades ago.  Since then he has been well supported by scores of like minded scientific people.

I want to know who these "scientific people" are. As far as I know no scientist on this rock supports Von Däniken's fabrications.

So respect?  Yes I have it.  Let the Inca tell you what happened not the school historians.

They told us, the conquistadores  told us,  but you just don't want to listen.


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Edited by Abramelin, 09 December 2012 - 03:25 PM.

[zoser]

Abramelin, on 09 December 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

"1) They denied building the megalithic structures"

They denied builiding Tiwanaku, not  the buildings in Peru.

2) A previous culture existed before they did.

The Incas conquered many tribes that existed before they came into existense, yes.

The AA hypothesis is only becoming more not less popular; more books and more documentaries than ever are now being made.

Popularity is not the same as credibility. A 100 million people thinking the earth is flat doesn't make it a truth.

I too read Von D decades ago.  Since then he has been well supported by scores of like minded scientific people.

I want to know who these "scientific people" are. As far as I know no scientist on this rock supports Von Däniken's fabrications.

So respect?  Yes I have it.  Let the Inca tell you what happened not the school historians.

They told us, the conquistadores  told us,  but you just don't want to listen..

Not true; the Inca deny responsibility for the megalithic structures.

Here is an interesting piece of writing and something I have long since suspected regarding colonial South America.  What kind of nation was Spain in a religious sense at the time of the invasion?  Answer; fanatically Catholic.  What was the Catholic church doing at the time of the invasion?  Answer; the Inquisition.  Any one or anything remotely judged as heresy was either tortured or destroyed.

This needs contemplating:

The Inca did not build the original temples at Machu Picchu or Cusco.

Our story gets so much larger when we listen to the wisdom keepers of the ancient traditions. The histories known to the old cultures around the world tell of highly advanced ancient civilizations; and of the coming and going of ages punctuated by world cataclysms. Where ‘modern science’ has dismissed the histories as given by indigenous cultures as mere myth; there are now a few brave researchers, who are willing to face the rejection of the mainstream academics and are publishing the suppressed evidence supporting the knowledge of our ancient ancestors.

In the Americas during the European invasion, after the church sanctioned destruction of so much of the arts and records, a few of the Spanish got around to asking the native history keepers their stories. What was then told and chronicled is quite different than what is generally accepted today. During the 1600’s, in Peru, the Spanish chronicler Fernando Montesinos recorded the histories of the Quechua speaking peoples of Cusco, Peru, those now calledInca.*

http://sacredheritag...ilizations.html

How could the Spanish not have destroyed vital records?  Those that did not would have themselves faced a grissly end.

What were the Spanish really interested in?  We all know the answer I'm sure.

Regarding your question about the AA proponents.  Who do you think they are?  Men off the street?  Some of them may well be, others highly qualified.  You know their names Abe.  No need to give you a list.

Again respect is due here me thinks.

Edited by zoser, 09 December 2012 - 03:37 PM.

[zoser]

More examples of megalithic precision stonework; blocks weighing over 200 tonnes.  Archaeology can only offer the most banal explanations as to how it was done.

Ollyantaytambo

[zoser]

Also at Ollyantaytambo:




We again see two types of construction.  This is a common phenomena.  Megalithic precision close to much more inferior constructions.  This should in my opinion raise deep suspicions.

[Abramelin]

zoser, on 09 December 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

Also at Ollyantaytambo:




We again see two types of construction.  This is a common phenomena.  Megalithic precision close to much more inferior constructions.  This should in my opinion raise deep suspicions.

And this site was still under construction when the Spanish conquistadores arrived.