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[the L]

Complex civilizations have a bad habit of destroying themselves. Anthropologists including Joseph Tainter in “The Collapse of Complex Societies,”

http://www.truthdig....gress_20130113/

[orangepeaceful79]

the L, on 14 January 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

Complex civilizations have a bad habit of destroying themselves. Anthropologists including Joseph Tainter in “The Collapse of Complex Societies,”

http://www.truthdig....gress_20130113/

Interesting article....though it seems that because of the content of it, perhaps it would fit better in another forum?

[Paracelse]

Very marxist approach to history and climatology.  A bit confused article who would be better off in conspiracy theory or make belief faerie tales forum.

[Gummug]

Interesting article. I agree with a lot of what he says, but not about the climate change. The climate has always been changing, how do we know for sure it's because of what we humans do? I also think oil drilling, and the fractal method in particular, get a bad rap.

[Paracelse]

Gummug, on 15 January 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

Interesting article. I agree with a lot of what he says, but not about the climate change. The climate has always been changing, how do we know for sure it's because of what we humans do? I also think oil drilling, and the fractal method in particular, get a bad rap.

Shusss you gonna hurt some feelings saying that... In fact the Egyptians were already driving Humvee in the 3rd millennium BCE that is why Egypt and the entire Mediterranean coast of Africa became a desert.. they didn't pay attention to ozone layers nor CO2 emissions back then.

[orangepeaceful79]

Paracelse, on 15 January 2013 - 06:30 AM, said:

Very marxist approach to history and climatology.  A bit confused article who would be better off in conspiracy theory or make belief faerie tales forum.

We have a make-believe fairie tales forum?  Wouldn't that put it right back here in crypto where it started?  

[Paracelse]

orangepeaceful79, on 15 January 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

We have a make-believe fairie tales forum?  Wouldn't that put it right back here in crypto where it started?  

Didn't even noticed which forum it was in

[FurthurBB]

the L, on 14 January 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

Complex civilizations have a bad habit of destroying themselves. Anthropologists including Joseph Tainter in “The Collapse of Complex Societies,”

http://www.truthdig....gress_20130113/

I do not think we are doomed.  This same senario plays out over and over again throughout history.  Humans hate change, but when forced to it or even dragged in to it kicking and screaming we have an incredible ability to adapt and overcome.  I believe this situation will turn out the same.  In the end, right before it is too late we will throw ourselves into it and find a solution.  It is a shame that it will come to that because it will cost more in every way imaginable, but such is life.

[redhen]

Paracelse, on 15 January 2013 - 06:30 AM, said:

Very marxist approach to history and climatology.

"The human species, led by white Europeans and Euro-Americans, has been on a 500-year-long planetwide rampage of conquering, plundering, looting, exploiting and polluting the Earth—as well as killing the indigenous communities that stood in the way"

Wow, not very nuanced is it? Why doesn't he tell us how he really feels?

[Paracelse]

redhen, on 16 January 2013 - 05:34 AM, said:

"The human species, led by white Europeans and Euro-Americans, has been on a 500-year-long planetwide rampage of conquering, plundering, looting, exploiting and polluting the Earth—as well as killing the indigenous communities that stood in the way"

Wow, not very nuanced is it? Why doesn't he tell us how he really feels?

I don't know I wasn't there and as far as I know I haven't killed anyone yet... haven't conquered anyone yet and haven't imposed my religious views to anyone yet... so do you care to re-phrase that????

[Detective Mystery 2013]

redhen, on 16 January 2013 - 05:34 AM, said:

"The human species, led by white Europeans and Euro-Americans, has been on a 500-year-long planetwide rampage of conquering, plundering, looting, exploiting and polluting the Earth—as well as killing the indigenous communities that stood in the way"

Wow, not very nuanced is it? Why doesn't he tell us how he really feels?

It reads like leftist propaganda. I would agree with the quote if the author would replace "White Europeans" and "Euro-Americans" with "violent people". I'm not a fan of racism in the guise of history. That includes racist insults of White people.

[CrimsonKing]

Detective Mystery 2013, on 17 February 2013 - 04:20 AM, said:

It reads like leftist propaganda. I would agree with the quote if the author would replace "White Europeans" and "Euro-Americans" with "violent people". I'm not a fan of racism in the guise of history. That includes racist insults of White people.

Empire building and violence is not only a white european trait it goes for people of all places on all continents.The europeans just spread farther possibly because of their technology.

[Frank Merton]

I think, reading what you guys have said about it, that I will pass on this one and not waste my time or my anger reading it.

[Detective Mystery 2013]

CrimsonKing, on 17 February 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

Empire building and violence is not only a white european trait it goes for people of all places on all continents.The europeans just spread farther possibly because of their technology.

There's no doubt about it. Just ask Genghis Khan. He and his military could have conquered Europe. They combined superior tactics with superior technology. The infantry was no match for his cavalry. The armor was no match for his arrows. His forces murdered and enslaved millions of Asians and Europeans. Somehow, I doubt that leftist authors mention this all that much.

[Detective Mystery 2013]

Frank Merton, on 17 February 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

I think, reading what you guys have said about it, that I will pass on this one and not waste my time or my anger reading it.

Speaking of the imperial Mongolians, the Vietnamese forces stopped them when they tried to conquer their country. The battles demonstrated how vital terrain is to combat.