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#1561    skyeagle409

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:21 AM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 05 April 2013 - 02:52 AM, said:

First off. I appreciate the responce. It makes a nice change from the usual cut & paste job. Keep up the good work! :tu:

Secondly, you are a truther? I avoided the nuke thread like the plague. Can you please tell me of the flaws you have detected?

1. Turning off the transponder makes an aircraft invisible to radar.

I've noticed that some sites have posted that turning off the transponder made the airliners invisible on radar. I had a problem with that because turning off the transponder does not render an aircraft invisible on radar, it just makes it difficult to track. Even the stealth fighter is not totally invisible on radar, they just have a lower radar cross-section than your typical aircraft.

ATC brought attention to a crew of a C-130 as the ground controllers continued to tracked American 77, and that was after its transponder was tampered with, yet the aircraft was still trackable but its ID remained unknown. On another note, we have additional assets that can track aircraft without transponders. Can we expect enemy aircraft to use transponders as they try to penetrate our airspace? That was one hint that has been overlooked



2. Redline airspeed means an aircraft will breakup in flight if reached.

That is false and I have been aware of large four-engined subsonic aircraft exceeding the speed of sound from time to time and yet they have landed safely.

3. Pod installed beneath United 175.

I looked at the photo of United 175 and noticed that what they perceived as a pod were aerodynamic fairings, but why would anyone install a pod where the main landing gear and doors operate? One person misidentified the paint scheme on the bottom forward fuselage as a pod so I had to provide him a photo of another B-767 to make my point clear to him. It had to same paint scheme.


4. The B-757 and B-767 were modified to fly under remote control.

That would not have been possible because the B-757 and the B-767 are not fly-by-wire aircraft and the pilots would have detected such a modification during their system checks. They could have overridden a modification in the cockpit, but the question is, how would such a modification be performed under the nose of mechanics and inspectors for several months in the first place? Would American Airlines and United Airlines allowed their aircraft to be grounded while illegal modifications were performed?

5. Possible aircraft switch.

A switched aircraft would have been easily detected and far too risky to attempt. It would have taken me less than 30 minutes to reveal a switched aircraft so in that regard, no one in their right mind would attempted to switch aircraft unless they wanted to get caught.

6. Serial number label required on FDR and aircraft identification is dependent upon the label

That does not make any sense at all. What would happen if the label was ripped off or destroyed during an accident?

7. ACARS depicted the airliners airborne after they were reported to have crashed

That didn't make any sense considering that other means were available to make a determination as to an aircraft's actual position and status.

Those are just a few examples.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:29 AM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 05 April 2013 - 02:52 AM, said:

First off. I appreciate the responce. It makes a nice change from the usual cut & paste job. Keep up the good work! :tu:

Secondly, you are a truther? I avoided the nuke thread like the plague. Can you please tell me of the flaws you have detected?

Here are further examples of how far some 911 Truthers will go.

Hoaxed photo.

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Actual photo

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Now, for the rest of the story.



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:13 AM

Sky. I misunderstood. When you said you had detected flaws i thought you ment the official story, not what any tom, dick or harry can put on the net for a joke. No one needs those flaws pointed out


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:24 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 05 April 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

Jet fuel, not bombs, was responsible and yet, 911 conspiracist concocted another unfounded conspiracy theory based on ignorance of the facts.
Jet fuels doesn't explain the evidence of explosions and the cave in on B4.  

Neither does it account for Arturo Griffiths who said he witnessed 3 different explosions.

It also doesn't account for the lobby damage, unless you want to stick with the theory that the jet fuel heated up the steel beams in the lobby some 290M/950ft away...lol

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:31 PM

Jet fuel from approximately 260M/950ft above heated up the steel beams in the lobby which were around 4 inchs thick and caused them to buckle all within a few minutes of it actually happening. Which in turn knocked tiles off and blew out the windows in the lobby.

Of course it was Skyeagle. :rolleyes:


Edited by Stundie, 09 April 2013 - 03:34 PM.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 05:29 PM

View PostStundie, on 09 April 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

Jet fuels doesn't explain the evidence of explosions and the cave in on B4.

Jet fuel didn't explain manhole explosives which are common in New York City, which have nothing to do with bombs

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It also doesn't account for the lobby damage, unless you want to stick with the theory that the jet fuel heated up the steel beams in the lobby some 290M/950ft away...

Apparently, you didn't pay any attention as to what has been presented in that regard.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 05:33 PM

View PostStundie, on 09 April 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

Jet fuel from approximately 260M/950ft above heated up the steel beams in the lobby which were around 4 inchs thick and caused them to buckle all within a few minutes of it actually happening. Which in turn knocked tiles off and blew out the windows in the lobby.

Of course it was Skyeagle. :rolleyes:


He says that windows were blown out, which is what compressed air can do.

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During the pancake, the floors acted like a plunger in a Syringe. The towers skin and windows became the tube of the Syringe.  The increased pressure blew the windows out as each massive acre of floor compressed air between them.  It's said that the towers were about 95% air.  But not all the air went so easily out the window space.  There was just as much window as there was steel perimeter columns.  So the air takes the path of least resistance to the core.

The core is collapsing and thick debris is preventing the air from going up.  Its next path of least resistance would be to go down the core. The air pushed though the core any way it could and the pressure built up. It forced its way out on lower floors wherever it could.  According to the survivors of at least one tower, a hurricane wind blows through the staircase which is located in the core...


Matt Komorowski: “The first thing I really felt was the incredible rush of air at my back. And maybe I felt it before everybody else, because I was the last guy.”
Stone Phillips: “Like a gust of wind, behind you.”


Matt Komorowski: “Gust of wind. Wind tunnel. It was the most incredible push at your back, that you can feel.


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LIM: Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and faster as they get closer. What I remember the most was the wind. It created almost like a hurricane-type force and actually pushed one of the firemen right by me.

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Of course, I expect the conspiracy theorists to say this was just the explosives which caused the high wind "He even says explosions!") but they have no evidence of explosives. We do have evidence of pancaking.  The ejecta coming out of the windows of the pancaking floor was uniform across the floor and light in color. It was coming out of every floor window until the falling debris obscured its view.

Controlled demolition has staggered ejecta because the charges are only on some columns.  You also always see at least [some] before the collapse and not [only] during it.  There are none of these jets of debris before collapse.

http://www.debunking911.com/overp.htm

Nothing to do with bombs, and there was no bomb crater in the lobby. This is what a crater beneath WTC1 looks like, which was created by a real bomb in 1993. You will notice that the steel columns remained intact despite sitting within the bomb crater.

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Edited by skyeagle409, 09 April 2013 - 05:48 PM.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:07 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 April 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

Jet fuel didn't explain manhole explosives which are common in New York City, which have nothing to do with bombs
And those at GZ did not witness manhole explosions or jet fuel.

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 April 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

Apparently, you didn't pay any attention as to what has been presented in that regard.
The only one not paying attention is you sonshine, but as Orwell once said "Ignorance is bliss!"...lol

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:11 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 April 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

He says that windows were blown out, which is what compressed air can do.
Compressed air?? lol You were saying it was fet fuel a few posts back....make you mind up...lol

Mind you, making your mind up is something you appear to be struggling with. I mean we are still none the wiser as to whether you think there was thermite at GZ, cause you once said it would be expected only for you to u-turn and tell us, there was none. :blink:

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 April 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

Nothing to do with bombs, and there was no bomb crater in the lobby. T
Like there is going t be a bomb crater with 110+ floors piling in on top of it....lol

You are so silly that you will throw out any old crap to defend the officia story...lol

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 April 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

This is what a crater beneath WTC1 looks like, which was created by a real bomb in 1993. You will notice that the steel columns remained intact despite sitting within the bomb crater.

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Yeah, it's shame they didn't start a fire with a box of matches, cause we all know how good fire is at demolishing buildings, especially overpasses and toy factories..lol

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:19 PM

View PostStundie, on 09 April 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

And those at GZ did not witness manhole explosions or jet fuel.

They did not hear nor see bomb explosions and no evidence of bombs was recovered at ground zero.

You are not paying attention to the facts.

View PostStundie, on 09 April 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

Compressed air??

That's right! Simple scientific logic that any high school science student would have understood.

Edited by skyeagle409, 09 April 2013 - 06:19 PM.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:20 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 April 2013 - 06:18 PM, said:

They did not hear nor see bomb explosions and no evidence of bombs was recovered at ground zero.
Sorry but the eyewitnesses claimed and said they saw, heard and felt explosions and none were recovered because as we know, that none were ever looked for or tested for.

And you are not going to find something like detontated bombs or explosives if you are not looking or testing for them.

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 April 2013 - 06:18 PM, said:

You are not paying attention to the facts.
No, I paid full attention, but you are confusing your opinions and faith based beliefs as fact, when they are nothing of a sort. lol

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:21 PM

View PostStundie, on 09 April 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

Like there is going t be a bomb crater with 110+ floors piling in on top of it...

Where's the physical evidence of a bomb? Post it for all to see, and if you are unable to post physical evidence of a bomb, I am going to highlight your lack of evidence.

View PostStundie, on 09 April 2013 - 06:20 PM, said:

Sorry but the eyewitnesses claimed and said they saw,

Saw what? They did not see bombs nor bomb explosions.

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Of course, I expect the conspiracy theorists to say this was just the explosives which caused the high wind "He even says explosions!") but they have no evidence of explosives. We do have evidence of pancaking.  The ejecta coming out of the windows of the pancaking floor was uniform across the floor and light in color. It was coming out of every floor window until the falling debris obscured its view.

Controlled demolition has staggered ejecta because the charges are only on some columns.  You also always see at least [some] before the collapse and not [only] during it.  There are none of these jets of debris before collapse.

http://www.debunking911.com/overp.htm


Edited by skyeagle409, 09 April 2013 - 06:22 PM.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:23 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 April 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

Where's the physical evidence of a bomb?
There is none because none were looked for, as been pointed out to you time and time again...lol

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 April 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

Post it for all to see, and if you are unable to post physical evidence of a bomb, I am going to highlight your lack of evidence.
I can't post it because it was never looked for and because none were looked for, we cannot rule it out I'm afraid.

I know you hate possibilities, but that is how critical thinking works I'm afraid.

View Postskyeagle409, on 09 April 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

Saw what? They did not see bombs nor bomb explosions.
Read what I put instead of cutting and pasting half a sentence and you'll understand the context and look less like an idiot...lol

Stundie said..."Sorry but the eyewitnesses claimed and said they saw, heard and felt explosions"

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:27 PM

View PostStundie, on 09 April 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

There is none because none were looked for, as been pointed out to you time and time again..

Of course we know there was no  evidence of bombs because there were no bombs involved.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:29 PM

View PostStundie, on 09 April 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

Stundie said..."Sorry but the eyewitnesses claimed and said they saw, heard and felt explosions"

And, you missed this:

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, I expect the conspiracy theorists to say this was just the explosives which caused the high wind "He even says explosions!") but they have no evidence of explosives.

http://www.debunking911.com/overp.htm

Now, where's is your evidence that bombs were used?

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