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#46    White Unicorn

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:07 AM

View Postnothinglizx2, on 14 February 2013 - 04:02 AM, said:

Focusing on one point does help your focusing skills, but there are too many things that get in the way.  Wants, Desires, needs, imagination, things you think that need to get done now.  To clear all those things from the mind and just be, now that takes great strength of mind.  It takes some time.  But if your dedicated to it, you will get it.  Fasting, meditation, and clearing your mind of all these things will greatly increase your strength.

Take for instance a flower in a field, the flower performs it's task, it does not wonder where it came from or where it's going, it doesn't think about the day before or the day after, 5 minutes from now it will not have thought to itself, "have I been standing here growing for five minutes.  It just is and will just be.  That is the state of peace we must get to.  For our strength lies within our ability to deny ourselves even the most basic of needs like eating and sleeping and thinking, wondering, needing, wanting, dreaming, dreams.  To deny ourselves these things is to increase our virtue.

I like that :)
It's like going to a peaceful center connecting your subconscious and consciousness at peace than expanding into another higher consciousness outside of yourself. People get there through many different methods, so it's really about what works for you and practice. The hard part is when you get there to be able to shift back to conscious desire!


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:32 PM

View PostWhite Unicorn, on 14 February 2013 - 04:52 AM, said:

There are orders within the orders and degrees of brotherhoods that offer passed down traditions and experiments. Not considered powers just knowledge and yes some groups do their own research experiments and they are scientists. Their goal is to help humanity with what they learn from the past and present and become better human beings. It's all about discovering the truth for yourself and only believing what you or the others can demonstrate. Ben Franklin is known for flying his kite to understand conduction of electricity, it was one of those kind of experiments. It wasn't really new. Some people can do the higher experiments and some cannot. Everyone is different.
What is your job? Making up bull****?


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:37 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 14 February 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:

What is your job? Making up bull****?

You know truth is stranger than fiction sometimes.

Seems like if you stumble on one thing other people come to you and it's a dominoe effect to discover many types of organizations exist that you didn't even know about.  You don't have to be a member of any of them. I'm just saying studying different philosophies,traditions, and their experiments helped me understand the inter relationships of cause and effect better.  Reminded me of chemistry classes. A lot of the BS within religions and philosophies was presented as this is or was the belief of these people not all true compared to what we have discovered but there are helpful hints to the nature's cause behind it. Gives you more points of view why an experiment into anything may be successful or not for each individual.

Nature still holds a lot of secrets that most people don't realize. You're missing a lot if you don't realize that. Sometimes a philosphical state a mind is a denominater even if you don't believe the philosophy passed down.




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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:44 PM

View PostWhite Unicorn, on 14 February 2013 - 04:52 AM, said:

There are orders within the orders and degrees of brotherhoods that offer passed down traditions and experiments. Not considered powers just knowledge and yes some groups do their own research experiments and they are scientists. Their goal is to help humanity with what they learn from the past and present and become better human beings. It's all about discovering the truth for yourself and only believing what you or the others can demonstrate. Ben Franklin is known for flying his kite to understand conduction of electricity, it was one of those kind of experiments. It wasn't really new. Some people can do the higher experiments and some cannot. Everyone is different.

Our country was founded by some of them (and no the Order is not the Freemasons but one within them) if you don't know that, I'm sorry but you are naive.   

Its peoples philosophical beliefs which open up their minds to unusual stuff.

You have to remember that most people in the world are either atheist or theist. They cant tell you about any other philosophical stances which explain reality because they've never heard of them. You dont need to be a Freemason a trip to waterstones is enough to find it out.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:11 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 14 February 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

Its peoples philosophical beliefs which open up their minds to unusual stuff.

You have to remember that most people in the world are either atheist or theist. They cant tell you about any other philosophical stances which explain reality because they've never heard of them. You dont need to be a Freemason a trip to waterstones is enough to find it out.

Exactly :)

The only advantage is the time savings!
There's a wealth of infomation available that generally isn't published, like copies of old manuscripts from museums and you come into contact with other groups who are eager to guide you in find the answers to what you are researching. May I add a few of groups I've inadvertly come across  are people you don't  want  be involved with at all, they are  crazy cults.

Edited by White Unicorn, 14 February 2013 - 10:12 PM.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:05 AM

View PostWhite Unicorn, on 14 February 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

Seems like if you stumble on one thing other people come to you and it's a dominoe effect to discover many types of organizations exist that you didn't even know about.  You don't have to be a member of any of them. I'm just saying studying different philosophies,traditions, and their experiments helped me understand the inter relationships of cause and effect better.  Reminded me of chemistry classes. A lot of the BS within religions and philosophies was presented as this is or was the belief of these people not all true compared to what we have discovered but there are helpful hints to the nature's cause behind it. Gives you more points of view why an experiment into anything may be successful or not for each individual.
I suppose that is why you have been unable to support your claims?


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:17 AM

View PostRlyeh, on 15 February 2013 - 04:05 AM, said:

I suppose that is why you have been unable to support your claims?

To you?  

the question  was .................

Any suggestions on how I can improve this, i.e. move the toothpicks further or stack them?

Obviously you have no helpful suggestions to offer anyone but just like playing the devil's advocate LOL

Edited by White Unicorn, 15 February 2013 - 04:20 AM.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:22 AM

View PostWhite Unicorn, on 15 February 2013 - 04:17 AM, said:

To you?   You just usually play devil's advocate on all the threads instead of trying to answer or help teh posters
No, to anyone. You're making BS claims about people being tested on against their will. You're only fueling delusions.

The OP has already PM'ed me about their real stance.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:37 AM

View PostRlyeh, on 15 February 2013 - 04:22 AM, said:

No, to anyone. You're making BS claims about people being tested on against their will. You're only fueling delusions.

The OP has already PM'ed me about their real stance.

Not against their will since they signed consent but it was a deceiving to the person,  Extending caution to others who may be thinking of doing  such things.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:43 AM

View PostWhite Unicorn, on 14 February 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

Exactly :)

The only advantage is the time savings!
There's a wealth of infomation available that generally isn't published, like copies of old manuscripts from museums and you come into contact with other groups who are eager to guide you in find the answers to what you are researching. May I add a few of groups I've inadvertly come across  are people you don't  want  be involved with at all, they are  crazy cults.

Oh its most definitely published.

Buddhism is a non-theist religion (no god figure) based on the philosophy of non-dualism (which 99% of people have never heard of) yet one of the central concepts in Buddhism is that the mind can and does influence reality.

The mind can slow down or speed up the apparent passage of time -
1. Faster - When people zone out at work they find what seemed like 15 minutes is often 2 hours.
2. Slower - People in car crashes and heightened senses of alert experience time running in slow motion.

Now to an atheist, material reductionist person who believes theres an external reality independant of their mind they brush this off as a trick off the mind. Learn a different philosophy like non-dualism and you reach a different conclusion.

If the mind does alter the flow rate of time depending on how much information its gaining from the environment per second then because of the link between time and gravity in Einsteins Relativity the mind can warp gravity.

Theres your force for moving objects using the mind. A trance localised to one side of an object which alters how much information received from that area per second can alter the gravity there moving the object.

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 15 February 2013 - 11:58 AM.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:50 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 15 February 2013 - 11:43 AM, said:

Oh its most definitely published.

Buddhism is a non-theist religion (no god figure) based on the philosophy of non-dualism (which 99% of people have never heard of) yet one of the central concepts in Buddhism is that the mind can and does influence reality.

The mind can slow down or speed up the apparent passage of time -
1. Faster - When people zone out at work they find what seemed like 15 minutes is often 2 hours.
2. Slower - People in car crashes and heightened senses of alert experience time running in slow motion.

Now to an atheist, material reductionist person who believes theres an external reality independant of their mind they brush this off as a trick off the mind. Learn a different philosophy like non-dualism and you reach a different conclusion.

If the mind does alter the flow rate of time depending on how much information its gaining from the environment per second then because of the link between time and gravity in Einsteins Relativity the mind can warp gravity.

Theres your force for moving objects using the mind. A trance localised to one side of an object which alters how much information received from that area per second can alter the gravity there moving the object.
Now if you got your facts straight before hand you wouldn't need to invoke such convoluted pseudoscience.
http://www.bbc.com/f...ime-stand-still
http://www.hexicon.c...s_attention.pdf

Or you can continue to believe the mind magically affects the temporal dimension.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:06 PM

Have you tried staring at goats?


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:14 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 15 February 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:

Now if you got your facts straight before hand you wouldn't need to invoke such convoluted pseudoscience.
http://www.bbc.com/f...ime-stand-still
http://www.hexicon.c...s_attention.pdf

Or you can continue to believe the mind magically affects the temporal dimension.

The reasoning on those websites are flawed. In Special Relativity the experience of time dialation is relative to the observer.

Me      >>>>>>>>>    Everything else - Includes the clock and scientist

Hence if time appears to have run quicker than normal this time dialation applies to 'everything else'. The scientist is a part of that not independant from it so they wouldnt detect an effect.

And as for pseudoscience we have quantum theories of gravity being tested at the moment where information is gravity. Hence less information is less gravity and more information is more. Its called entrophic gravity.

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 15 February 2013 - 03:15 PM.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:25 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 15 February 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

The reasoning on those websites are flawed. In Special Relativity the experience of time dialation is relative to the observer.
This isn't special relativity, these minds are not in different reference frames. Even if they were so would the instruments, clocks, etc.
You're confusing two very different phenomena.

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Hence if time appears to have run quicker than normal this time dialation applies to 'everything else'. The scientist is a part of that not independant from it so they wouldnt detect an effect.
As would the clocks and therefore be slow or fast compared to others. No evidence supports this idea of the mind effecting time.
The passage of time is the same in all reference frames, which you kind of hint at with the scientist not detecting it, but not before claiming the opposite with having time running quicker..

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And as for pseudoscience we have quantum theories of gravity being tested at the moment where information is gravity. Hence less information is less gravity and more information is more. Its called entrophic gravity.
We also have neuroscience to explain how the mind processes information, no need for magical thinking.

Edited by Rlyeh, 15 February 2013 - 03:40 PM.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:20 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 15 February 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

This isn't special relativity, these minds are not in different reference frames. Even if they were so would the instruments, clocks, etc.
You're confusing two very different phenomena.

As would the clocks and therefore be slow or fast compared to others. No evidence supports this idea of the mind effecting time.
The passage of time is the same in all reference frames, which you kind of hint at with the scientist not detecting it, but not before claiming the opposite with having time running quicker..

We also have neuroscience to explain how the mind processes information, no need for magical thinking.

Ehh? Lets try this again seeming as you dont get it.

I experience time flowing faster than it should and it applies to the clock, the station, the scientist, trains, people on the platform. As the scientist is part of that how on earth would he detect a difference between him and the clock?

The only time he would be capable of doing so is if the time dialation only applies to the clock.





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