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#46    nothinglizx2

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:26 PM

You might as well have bombed them if words like those come out of your heart, You do not belong on the human rights council of anything.


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:35 PM

View Posttapirmusic, on 23 April 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

Falk explains the attacks as justifiable “resistance.” In his words: “The American global domination project is bound to generate all kinds of resistance in the post-colonial world.”
Yes, I suppose we’ve thrown our weight around and stepped on toes, but too bad.  Every time I see a comment like this I really wonder if those that make the statement or believe it have ever considered what this world would be like without American Hegemony?  This sentiment that “our chickens have come home to roost” is based in nothing but Apathy and Ignorance.  Where ambition is great there is also great opposition.  This so-called “American global domination project” has presided over one of the most prosperous and peaceful periods on this planet.  So if anyone says that Bostonians deserve it, then it is a badge of honor for all Americans.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:59 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 24 April 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

This thread is a perfect example of how the right manufactures fear of Muslims
One does not need the media to provide history, facts, and track record on Islamic intent.  I guess for the low information voter, the media is real good at creating fear.  But the facts came before the fear and those that are aware are vigilant.

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and how much the media can shape our perceptions to believe something that is not true. Falk never said those words, everyone in this thread who had been up in arms got duped, by the media, by the right, so your opinion which you believe you made as an informed person was actually, in this case, formed through disinformation.
I’m not up in arms that Falk didn’t say this.  You have shown that to be the case.  It really doesn’t matter that he said it or not.  The thought already existed and is being spread by defeatists, which is more Left than Right.  They are the ones that think that America is on the downturn.  The bottom line is that it is still up to the American people if we stay at the top and do what we must to remain there.  To do so, I think, is still worth any sacrifice.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 06:12 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 25 April 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

The thought already existed and is being spread by defeatists, which is more Left than Right.  They are the ones that think that America is on the downturn.  The bottom line is that it is still up to the American people if we stay at the top and do what we must to remain there.  To do so, I think, is still worth any sacrifice.

We are leaving a unipolar world and entering a mulipolar one. That is inevitable. Attempting to stay on top will harm us but finding ways to share power will bring global stablility.

As far as "the thought" already existing, you are right. I disagree with the rest of your editorialization since win-win games are preferable to zero-sum games, that is cooperation over competition.

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And then at the same time, you know, over the coming days, we have to look at the root causes. Now we don’t know now whether it was, you know, terrorism or a single crazy or, you know, a domestic issue or a foreign issue, I mean, all of those questions. But there is no question that this happened because there is someone who feels completely excluded, completely at war with innocents, at war with a society. And our approach has to be, okay, where do those tensions come from?

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You cannot exercise your powers to the point of humiliation for the others. That is what the Western world -- not only the Americans, the Western world -- has to realize. Because they are human beings too. There are long-term consequences," Mr. Chrétien said in the pre-taped interview.

And I do think that the Western world is getting too rich in relation to the poor world and necessarily will be looked upon as being arrogant and self-satisfied, greedy and with no limits. The 11th of September is an occasion for me to realize it even more.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 07:23 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 23 April 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

So the runners and people in the crowd were part of an American global domination project and deserved what they got according to him?

Hope someone gives him what he deserves!
Ill do it,where does the Big yuck mouth live,Ive got something for him.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 06:49 AM

View PostGiant Killer B, on 23 April 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

The guy needs assassinating by the CIA.
Maybe he just needs a little "Justifiable Resistance"?

(I'm guessing that "Justifiable Resistance" just went into the Email/ForumPost search filters over at Langley) :w00t:

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 25 April 2013 - 01:47 AM, said:

... since Obama's second term both have reversed course so that both of them appear like Bush Neocon clones when it comes to foreign policy over Israel and the use of drones and domestic policy in fiscal matters including backing off from taxing the wealthy in favor of either raiding Social Security, in essence taxing it, or a carbon tax, which will cause everyone to pay more at the pump.

Ha... I like saying to people that by the end of his 2nd term Obama might make a fair Moderate Republican... :tsu:

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 03:18 PM

Scott McConnel, founder of The American Conservative, had some words to say about Mr. Falk.

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Amazing for its viciousness and rank dishonesty is the campaign waged against UN special rapporteur for human rights in occupied Palestine Richard Falk for making some pretty straightforward “blowback” points in the aftermath of the Boston terrorist attack.  Falk’s piece is here; written before the perpetrators were discovered, it notes chiefly the relative calm compared to 9/11, and the greater reflectiveness of many of the callers to PBS and other venues, who noted (as have several other commentators) that many innocents are also victims of American violence. Falk also laments what he perceives as Obama’s apparent obeisance to Israel and fears a war with Iran. Falk is a lucid and often deep thinker, but this was not an unusual piece.

Yet the old and venerable Falk (he was a prominent international law professor when I was in college, a very long time ago) had enemies lying in wait. Within a few days a well-funded neocon group called UN Watch and its various media allies had ginned up an intense public relations campaign, based on falsifying the meaning of his piece, using ellipses to distort its sentences, to claim that Falk had said that the Boston victims somehow deserved their fate. Phan Nguyen at Mondoweiss records in meticulous detail the contours of the misrepresentation campaign here. UN Watch’s rendering of Falk got assistance from the New York Post and someone from the Wall Street Journal editorial board, and they obviously sent out a lot of messages to politicians, diplomats, and UN functionaries  claiming (falsely) that Falk had blamed Israel and America for the terror attack, while asking them to respond. Many politicians responded as you would think they would, with US UN ambassador Susan Rice calling for Falk to be stripped of his post. (One shudders to imagine this spineless creature as Secretary of State.)

The question is why. I don’t believe that Professor Falk has any particular power or influence as the UN rapporteur for Palestine, and I’m not sure if his reports have saved a single Palestinian olive tree or water cistern from Israeli destruction. I’d like to be mistaken. If the reason is simply ideological, it’s difficult to believe that Israel lobby is all that concerned about people who say that if the United States persists in fighting what appears to Muslims as a war against Islam, with drones and whatnot, some Muslims  are going to become radicalized and do evil in return. A young Yemeni made precisely that point before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee early this week, and he was treated respectfully—despite much senatorial grandstanding. Americans are ready to at least entertain the notion that a violent foreign policy (even one that uses drones autopiloted from the sanitary airconditioned confines of Nevada)  can produce blowback. Glenn Greenwald argued the point here.

The smear campaign was probably started not because what Falk wrote was ridiculous but because it was reasonable. He commited the additional offense of mentioning Israel’s obvious efforts to ignite an American war with Iran. My guess is that UN Watch and its allies thought Boston provided an opportunity, that there would be enough righteous anger at the perpetrators of the terrorist attack to open a window where a smear campaign might work. If Falk could be forced out, it would illustrate their power to punish dissent and control the American discourse. Lo and behold, they got Susan Rice to endorse them.


Smearing Richard Falk

Now, we should give Mr. Falk what he deserves, a promotion!

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 28 April 2013 - 03:20 PM.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 02:13 AM

Yes, because saying that the death of innocents is "justifiable" is deserving of a promotion and not a bop on the nose.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 02:19 AM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 29 April 2013 - 02:13 AM, said:

Yes, because saying that the death of innocents is "justifiable" is deserving of a promotion and not a bop on the nose.

It certainly seems that way considering the last two administrations


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:09 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 25 April 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

We are leaving a unipolar world and entering a mulipolar one. That is inevitable.
I have to disagree.  It seems that we are always *entering* a multi-polar world but it never stays that way as it always leads to war.  The history of Europe is the best example.  Between 1870 and 1920, the emergence of industrialization brought many of the world powers a new equality and multi-polar world.  But it only led to war has it always had in times past.

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Attempting to stay on top will harm us but finding ways to share power will bring global stablility.
Such a naïve statement.  Sharing power does not bring global stability.  “Finding ways to share power“ is very naïve and promotes weakness which leads to war.  History proves it.  Real prosperity and peace occurred when there was only one superpower (at least at the regional level).  It is our turn to make our mark.  The harm to us is reneging on our Birthright.  Being at the top makes you a target but it is still worth the risk for the reward.

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As far as "the thought" already existing, you are right. I disagree with the rest of your editorialization since win-win games are preferable to zero-sum games,
Well, American Hegemony *IS* the win-win scenario.  Now there is one caveat to this and it all depends if this nation becomes truly Socialist or not.  If it does, then all bets are off.  We become no better than the rest of Europe.

If we return to a true Constitutional Republic, then all we need to do is have the attitude of not caring what anybody else does but if anybody threatens the overall peace, we’ll jump all over them.  Our government needs to get out of the lives of its people and concentrate on building up and maintaining a powerful military.

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that is cooperation over competition.
Most Socialists don’t understand the following.  Through competition, there is cooperation.  By trying to be the best encourages the others to improve.  This is the basis of Adam Smith’s “Invisible Hand”.  Through competition, things get better.  Cooperation alone brings complacency and stagnation (lose-lose)

Yes, you must look at root causes, but it is not because of what the US does.  The youth do feel excluded.  They are disenfranchised.  That comes from the actions of their own Islamic Theocratic government.  The government willingly uses this discourse and Islam fosters it.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:12 PM

Obviously the UN person spoke too soon.  W.H. Auden's words are very relevant still today, but in this case the UN person should have waited to see how long it took before the official story crumbles under scrutiny.

It looks like about 2 weeks to me.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:15 AM

The honorable Richard Falk has won this round but I have the impression he is totally above the fray leaving UN Watch in the whine.

On April 28th UN Watch attempted to pressure Bill Hambrecht to cancel Mr. Falks speech at the American University of Beirut.

The language UN Watch used in their letter to Mr. Hambrecht was below the grade of diplomatic dialogue which is eloquent, far less emotional, and without petty personal attack.

Had they agreed I am sure everyone would have been satisfied and even congratulated Mr. Hambrecht.

Mr. Falk delivered that speech yesterday.

Now Anne Bayefsky wrote another one of her article on Breitbart.com criticizing Mr. Hambrecht. That only proves her criticism was not contingent on Mr. Hambrecht's actual person but on whether or not he gave in to UN Watch's failed attempt at blackmail, which it was: do as we say or we will air dirty laundry, except in this matter what they consider airing dirty laundry only reflects poorly on UN Watch & co.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 01 May 2013 - 08:17 AM.





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