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[F3SS]

Watch the video at the end of the article. There was no way to share it so must click link...
http://www.theblaze....-years-of-lies/
Of course the most egregious instance of a broken promise came when Obama promised he would not raise taxes on the middle class, yet his Obamacare “mandate,“ now ruled a ”tax” by the highest court in the land, results in the the most “massive tax increase in U.S. history” and  directly affects the middle class.

“The IRS is now the most powerful arm of the federal government,” Beck said.

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The people who hate Beck will probably not even listen to this but it is a PERFECT synopsis of exactly how deceitful this administration has been. It is IRREFUTABLE.  Great post!

[F3SS]

Beck should be regardless. All he did was show the lies with obamas audio clips. He said one thing and the opposite happened. You're right. It's irrefutable no matter who presents this.

[Tiggs]

Want to show the math on it being "the most massive tax increase in US history"?

I'm interested, as it appears to be totally avoidable and no-one's actually paid it yet.

[preacherman76]

How is it avoidable Tiggs? I thought only 0bamas lobbiest buddies at Walmart, Mcdonalds, and certain Unions were able to opt out? Or of course if you work in congress or the senate. Imagine that, 2 companies who spend hundreds of millions in advertisments alone per year, somehow get out of having to provide health insurance for thier minium wage workers. Amazing.

[Tiggs]

preacherman76, on 30 June 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

How is it avoidable Tiggs?

I have it on good authority that buying Health insurance will mean not having to pay the fine for not having Health insurance.

Edited by Tiggs, 30 June 2012 - 06:22 PM.

[Clyde the Glyde]

Tiggs, on 30 June 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

I have it on good authority that buying Health insurance will mean not having to pay the fine for not having Health insurance.

Since health insurance companies won't be able to deny you for a pre-existing condition, I imagine that many people will simply pay the fine ( tax ) which would be lower than their health insurance premiums would be. And then if they would have a serious health problem,  they would then opt into the system since the health insurance companies would have to accept them.

Edited by Clyde the Glyde, 30 June 2012 - 06:49 PM.

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Clyde the Glyde, on 30 June 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Since health insurance companies won't be able to deny you for a pre-existing condition, I imagine that many people will simply pay the fine ( tax ) which would be lower than their health insurance premiums would be. And then if they would have a serious health problem,  they would then opt into the system since the health insurance companies would have to accept them.

What part of premium cap don't you guys get? Anybody earning under $80,000 will have a premium of no more than 8% of the annual income a year. No matter what preexisting conditions. For those over that limit... let me put it this way: They must be pretty limited in intelligence if they don't have health insurance anyway. A simple broken bone is generally more expensive to pay out of pocket than 2 years premium.

[preacherman76]

Tiggs, on 30 June 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

I have it on good authority that buying Health insurance will mean not having to pay the fine for not having Health insurance.

What if you cant afford health insurance?

Even better, what if you decide that the constitution doesnt grant the US government the power to force anyone to buy anything, regardless of this corupted SC decision? The constitution is a fairly easy read, and it doesnt even come close to allowing such tyranny. Oh well, what the heck, the constitution has been down graded to the finest out house wall paper ever made.

[Aus Der Box Skeptisch]

Some of the comments make me laugh hysterically... more sad than it should be funny... nit laugh away I will regardless.

[Tiggs]

preacherman76, on 30 June 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

What if you cant afford health insurance?

The cost will be subsidized by tax credits if you earn less than four times the current poverty level (around $90k for a family of 4).

In all cases - if the cheapest available plan would cost you more than 8% of your salary - then you don't have to buy one and no fine will be applied.

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Even better, what if you decide that the constitution doesnt grant the US government the power to force anyone to buy anything, regardless of this corupted SC decision? The constitution is a fairly easy read, and it doesnt even come close to allowing such tyranny. Oh well, what the heck, the constitution has been down graded to the finest out house wall paper ever made.

If it doesn't even come close - then how was I able to predict it before it happened?

[F3SS]

Tiggs, on 30 June 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

The cost will be subsidized by tax credits if you earn less than four times the current poverty level (around $90k for a family of 4).

In all cases - if the cheapest available plan would cost you more than 8% of your salary - then you don't have to buy one and no fine will be applied.

I'm absolutely sure that obamas argument for the ACA was "why should I have to pay more because someone else doesn't pay"
What good is that argument when there are exclusions? Once again, middle class and up are going to have to open their wallets for the same people who abuse every other government program. It's one thing t help the poor. It's quite another thing to just keep on giving while expecting nothing of them. Just because your poor doesn't mean you're incapable. It's rewarding failure. It's socialism.

Tiggs, on 30 June 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

Want to show the math on it being "the most massive tax increase in US history"?

I'm interested, as it appears to be totally avoidable and no-one's actually paid it yet.

Well the math is either pay for health insurance or pay $695 or 2.5% of your income. Your gross income, not net. Thats pretty massive. Can you direct me to any insurance plans at cost less than $695 a year? So for those of us who understand personal finance it is a massive tax increase or otherwise a massive financial burden if you purchase. Purchasing is stupid when you'll get covered anyway. I understand the righteous, helpful and socialistic choice would be to pay for insurance but the problem is none will. Well all take the fine and the system gets royaly screwed. It's just how it's gonna be. This is completely crazy. Once common sense and facts hit he general populace there will be a major backlash. November can't come to soon.

[Tiggs]

Is it for real, on 30 June 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:

I'm absolutely sure that obamas argument for the ACA was "why should I have to pay more because someone else doesn't pay"
What good is that argument when there are exclusions? Once again, middle class and up are going to have to open their wallets for the same people who abuse every other government program. It's one thing t help the poor. It's quite another thing to just keep on giving while expecting nothing of them. Just because your poor doesn't mean you're incapable. It's rewarding failure. It's socialism.

I also have it on good authority that people who have large incomes already tend to have health coverage.

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Well the math is either pay for health insurance or pay $695 or 2.5% of your income. Your gross income, not net. Thats pretty massive. Can you direct me to any insurance plans at cost less than $695 a year? So for those of us who understand personal finance it is a massive tax increase or otherwise a massive financial burden if you purchase. Purchasing is stupid when you'll get covered anyway. I understand the righteous, helpful and socialistic choice would be to pay for insurance but the problem is none will. Well all take the fine and the system gets royaly screwed. It's just how it's gonna be. This is completely crazy. Once common sense and facts hit he general populace there will be a major backlash. November can't come to soon.

So you're claiming that the largest tax rise ever recorded in American history is less than 2.5% - and that you'd be able to reach that breathtaking colossal number only on the condition that every single American within the United States decided to drop their healthcare insurance all at the same time?

Or let me put it another way. Politifact says that Reagan made bigger tax increases than that and that anyone saying otherwise is pants on fire lying.

Edited by Tiggs, 01 July 2012 - 12:31 AM.

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Tiggs, on 01 July 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

I also have it on good authority that people who have large incomes already tend to have health coverage.

Doesn't mean they should be mandated to have it if they chose not to. Right?

Tiggs, on 01 July 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

So you're claiming that the largest tax rise ever recorded in American history is less than 2.5% - and that you'd be able to reach that breathtaking colossal number only on the condition that every single American within the United States decided to drop their healthcare insurance all at the same time?

Or let me put it another way. Politifact says that Reagan made bigger tax increases than that and that anyone saying otherwise is pants on fire lying.

I didn't click your link so well leave it up in the air wether it is the largest. However, it's still very large. $695 is the minimum figure I've heard. Aside from that lets go with the 2.5%. It sounds minuscule but a simple calculation will tell you what your tax penalty is.
Your gross income x .025 =?      Example.   $50,000 x .025 = $1,250
It sucks on two levels. First, that's gross income, not net. Second, that's $1250 on top of all the other taxes you pay. Goodbye tax refund. Hello emptier wallet for those who pay quarterly. In fact, it's not even financially beneficial to buy insurance to anyone making less than probably a couple hundred thousand a year. Hmm, I see it now. Sticking the eventual mess to the rich. Just realized that. A little math and a little thinking and obamas ideology just slapped me in the face. It'll be cheaper for us regular joes to take the fine. Assumng you are regular joe, won't you just take the fine? You'll be covered anyway.

[Tiggs]

Is it for real, on 01 July 2012 - 01:05 AM, said:

Doesn't mean they should be mandated to have it if they chose not to. Right?

Supreme Court says otherwise.

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I didn't click your link so well leave it up in the air wether it is the largest. However, it's still very large. $695 is the minimum figure I've heard. Aside from that lets go with the 2.5%. It sounds minuscule but a simple calculation will tell you what your tax penalty is.
Your gross income x .025 =?   Example.   $50,000 x .025 = $1,250
It sucks on two levels. First, that's gross income, not net. Second, that's $1250 on top of all the other taxes you pay. Goodbye tax refund. Hello emptier wallet for those who pay quarterly. In fact, it's not even financially beneficial to buy insurance to anyone making less than probably a couple hundred thousand a year. Hmm, I see it now. Sticking the eventual mess to the rich. Just realized that. A little math and a little thinking and obamas ideology just slapped me in the face. It'll be cheaper for us regular joes to take the fine. Assumng you are regular joe, won't you just take the fine? You'll be covered anyway.

Why do you think that you would be covered anyway?