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[Sir Wearer of Hats]

laver, on 03 January 2013 - 04:14 AM, said:

Ha Ha but they may have now been doing it for years. Very clever people have decoded some of the mathematical messages that the designs appear to be sending us so we are not complete idiots.... just on a learning curve...

You communicate with a baby in the knowledge it'll one day communicate back to you.
However, if someone can communicate with you and chooses not to usually leads to communication stopping.

[TheSearcher]

It is generally claimed that ‘modern’ crop circle formations first appeared in the late 1970s, at least in Britain, however that is not entirely correct, during the 1960s there were earlier reports of circular formations from other places, particularly Australia and Canada. The concept of crop circles in the UK however, began indeed with the original 1970s hoaxes by Bower and Chorley.

Those are facts. Any other claim about crop circles.....well.....I'm still waiting for the proof, scientific, empirical proof. Not just "gut-feelings", hunches or other such things. People have proven they can create very complexe shapes in less than 3 hours using the above-mentionned method with a plank of wood. What has not been proven is any involvement of aliens, or other extraordinary agent.

Also I would like to know who these "Very clever people" are, that have decoded the alleged messages.

[DingoLingo]

Wearer of Hats, on 03 January 2013 - 02:34 AM, said:

why don't they come forward?
Criminal tresspass, criminal damage, waste of police time, vandalism...

I gotta agree, it's mind boggling as to why the people who do this would want to remain anonomous.

that and the fact circle makers have been threatend by believers for duping them

Sak mate.. ask your buddies to do one.. have them open a swiss bank account.. and have them do it in math with the message 'deposit a 1000 pounds into this account and you will be saved'

a number of 'believers' will do it

laver.. you have been duped.. and in a major way..

and you ask why the circle guys do it.. heck for the giggles mate.. for the giggles.. having a bunch of people run around saying the crop circle is alien.. pretty much when a crowd of believers gather to look at the circle.. you will find one or two of the circle makers there.. expressing the same opinions but really laughing the asses off inside..

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

the first e er recorded crop cicle was the fsult of the devil BTW, not aliens.
A farmer, refusing to pay his workwrs said in a fitof pique "well the devil can cut the wheat then" and loe-and-behold, someone or somthing did cut the wheat thst very night.

[TheSearcher]

DingoLingo, on 03 January 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

that and the fact circle makers have been threatend by believers for duping them

Sak mate.. ask your buddies to do one.. have them open a swiss bank account.. and have them do it in math with the message 'deposit a 1000 pounds into this account and you will be saved'

a number of 'believers' will do it

laver.. you have been duped.. and in a major way..

and you ask why the circle guys do it.. heck for the giggles mate.. for the giggles.. having a bunch of people run around saying the crop circle is alien.. pretty much when a crowd of believers gather to look at the circle.. you will find one or two of the circle makers there.. expressing the same opinions but really laughing the asses off inside..

Some of the "cropologists" are actually artists, which you can compare to graffiti artists in cities. Both kinds would get a severe beating or a legal charge, if caught performing their art. And to be honest, people should just appreciate the criop circles for what they are, something visually stimulating and beautifull.

[the L]

During 40s and 50s villagers in Bosnia and Herzegovina reported crop circles. But they connected them with whirlwind. They were simple cirlces. No faces or signs.
I wonder since mind can affect matter could one developed that skill more or was born that way so he can crate crop circles with mind... thoughts...
I spoke to one person who defenetly dont have any psychological problems who claim that he twice "summon" lights in the sky. I explain to him that is probably Plasma.
Whatever it does he claim that he summon it. He watched to the night sky and he wasnt sure that he somehow knew that lights would appear or that he seek and summon them.
But he looked and they appeared. Twice in his life time.
Strange how it sounds but I wonder can some peoples idea be manifested in real world...

[laver]

Mangoze, on 03 January 2013 - 04:47 AM, said:

You're entitled to your druthers.

However, as you rightly point out, these designs are well understood by humans.

Is Jim Sanborn an extra-terrestrial because his work remains undeciphered?

I don't agree that your preference in belief is reasonable.

Thats ok we can each have our own opinions and come to our own conclusions on a balance of probabilites. Being a casual bystander on the issue of crop designs with no vested interest either way except that the main area where these designs appear is the Wiltshire area of Britain which because of the number of ancient sacred sites was clearly a significant location thousands of years ago. David Furlong's landscape geometry in this area is well researched and cannot be just dismissed and the key location he identifies, Temple Farm, is on the Saint Michael alignment a proposed 'ley' line through Britain. There have been crop circles at this farm.
The fact that Temple Farm is part of a landscape geometric design of ancient sites with great circle bearing lines that align many locations in the Holy Land and 5 of the 7 churches noted at the start of the Book of Revelations before going to the Sea of Galilee at Magdala links these locations to the story of Jesus which is confirmed by other biblical references.

This geometric design is based on the Latitude and Longitude of the sites and is a fact. If it is just a coincidence it is a very strange one because of the number of sites involved. In the Book of Revelations Chapter 1 verse 20 we are told that there is a secret meaning in these churches which we clearly are being also told to find. It is a reasonable assumption that the secret meaning is the way the church locations fit a bearing line from Temple Farm and a seperate alignment from the Great Pyramid.
It is a mystery as to how this landscape geometry could have been set out thousands of years ago but it is there on the landscape to be seen by anyone who cares to look.
It might be coincidental that the Wiltshire area is also the focal point of crop circle activity but equally it might not and if the secret meaning in Revelations is the alignments that have been noted then crop designs may be a sign of a time of Revelation.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

People have been seeing the signs of the end of the world based on the Bookof Revelation according to John since about three days after the bok was published.


Sadly, IMO, peopl who do so are missing the point of the Bok which is "no matter how bad things get, the good guys win, HURRAH!".

[TheSearcher]

That only works if you actually believe there is such a thing as a landscape geometric design of ancient sites or ley lines and that the bible is more than just a book used by a religion to manipulate the masses.

[Emma_Acid]

laver, on 02 January 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

The phenomena of crop circles which has developed over the last 30 or so years is a mystery not because they are all 'real' and not hoaxes but because some of them are definitely 'real' and beyond rational explanation. These 'real' ones clearly have mathematical and geometric messages some of which have been decoded as anyone who has followed the rise of these designs will realise. But why are we getting these messages at this particular time in the evolution of humankind? Are they the only signs that we may be at a pivotal point in our long history on planet Earth?

Its been shown to you that human beings can make complex crop circles that contain mathematical meaning. There has never been a crop circle that cannot be explained by human activity. Your claim falls down at the first hurdle.

laver, on 02 January 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the end of the Mayan Long Count Calendar it is a fact that the experts tell us that after a time cycle of over 5000 years the calendar stopped for whatever reason. This time cycle started at a time over 3000 years BCE when there was a great deal of activity building stone monuments in various places in our world but noteably Wiltshire in southern Britain which of course is the centre of the crop circle activites we are experiencing today. People travel from all over the world to this area to look at the crop designs in this particular location with its many Stone Age sites like Avebury and Stonehenge.
It could just be a coincidence of course that crop circle activity happens to centre around an area that has many important Stone Age sites but there is another factor which we should consider.

The Maya calendar didn't "stop for whatever reason". What are they supposed to do, draw an infinite calendar?

Stonehenge was constructed between 3100 and 1600 BCE, the earliest megaliths were in Spain and Portugal around 5000 BCE. So that's a mighty wide net you're casting there. You're bound to find something that matches up.

laver, on 02 January 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

In a seperate thread on Imaginative Worlds - Revelation Time?- it is revealed that in an important verse in the Book of Revelations (chapter1 verse20) we are told that there is a 'secret meaning' in the 7 churches named in the text. This 'secret meaning' has now been decoded and relates to great circle alignments of these churches named by Jesus. This is a geometric fact, for whatever reason, and the main alignment of 5 of these churches then goes to the Sea of Galilee and a location now called Migdal, the biblical Magdala, home of Mary of Magdala the close companion and confidant of Jesus. At this location, Mount Arbel next to Magdala, Jesus talks about the End of Time.(Mathew 28)
What has this to do with crop circles and ancient stone monuments in southern Britain? you might ask.

You're cherry-picking again. Why are you ignoring 2 of the churches? You also seem to failed to state what the "secret meaning" of the churches actually is, a bit of a glaring error as its what your entire argument hinges on.

Secondly, Migdal was simply named after Migdala Nunia, the birthplace of Mary. It was founded in the early 1900s at that location because the founders guessed that Mary might have been born there. There is no evidence that Migdala actually existed, nor is it clear that the name "Mary Magdalene" even means that's where she's from.

Third, only 3 of the 7 churches actually align with (the now irrelevant) Migdal - Pergamum, Sardis and Laodicea. By saying that 5 do, is not only ignoring 2 churches but also casting your net very wide. Again.

So, you're being very liberal with your meanings, measurements and timescales, meaning this is all proof of nothing I'm afraid.

[laver]

Emma_Acid, on 03 January 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

Its been shown to you that human beings can make complex crop circles that contain mathematical meaning. There has never been a crop circle that cannot be explained by human activity. Your claim falls down at the first hurdle.




The Maya calendar didn't "stop for whatever reason". What are they supposed to do, draw an infinite calendar?

Stonehenge was constructed between 3100 and 1600 BCE, the earliest megaliths were in Spain and Portugal around 5000 BCE. So that's a mighty wide net you're casting there. You're bound to find something that matches up.




You're cherry-picking again. Why are you ignoring 2 of the churches? You also seem to failed to state what the "secret meaning" of the churches actually is, a bit of a glaring error as its what your entire argument hinges on.

Secondly, Migdal was simply named after Migdala Nunia, the birthplace of Mary. It was founded in the early 1900s at that location because the founders guessed that Mary might have been born there. There is no evidence that Migdala actually existed, nor is it clear that the name "Mary Magdalene" even means that's where she's from.

Third, only 3 of the 7 churches actually align with (the now irrelevant) Migdal - Pergamum, Sardis and Laodicea. By saying that 5 do, is not only ignoring 2 churches but also casting your net very wide. Again.

So, you're being very liberal with your meanings, measurements and timescales, meaning this is all proof of nothing I'm afraid.

On reading your post a Shakespeare quote came to mind
'The lady doth protest too much, methinks' - so what is your agenda?
Taking your points in turn
Crop circles are a mystery and no one has proved that the very complex designs could be created in the dark, overnight without being detected.
The Mayan Calendar has just finished, fact. Coincidence ? maybe but worth taking note of.
I have not ignored the first two churches of Revelations they form a seperate alignment from the Great Pyramid.
The secret meaning of Rev Ch1 v20 is explained as the alignment of these churches within a much more extensive design of ancient landscape geometry which is a fact.
Bearing lines from Temple Farm identify the alignment of ancient sites and one great circle bearing highlights the last 5 churches before going to Mount Arbel and Magdala on the shores of the Sea of Galilee
Magdala / Magdala Nunayya / Al Majdal are all names for the ancient site now called Migdal and the majority opinion is that this location was the place that Mary Magdalene, Mary of Magdala, was named after.
There are currently excavations at this location because of this called the Magdala Centre Project
The importance of Mary of Magdala in the story of Christ has for many hundreds of years been covered up and denied but even the chuch today has withdrawn some of the false accusations made against her. She was the closest person to Jesus and his messenger, his companion and confidant. If we consider the geometric messages linking churches of Revelation, her town Magdala and other sites the obvious conclusion is that Mary may well have also been part of the message in drawing attention to a landscape layout of ancient sites which must have been set out at least 3000 years before the time of Mary of Magdala and Jesus.
Obviously there is a limit to the amount of information that can be included on a site like this but a manuscript is being completed which will hopefully be published soon with full details of the findings of this research.
You might then wish to reconsider your comments on the matter

[TheSearcher]

laver, on 03 January 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

On reading your post a Shakespeare quote came to mind
'The lady doth protest too much, methinks' - so what is your agenda?
Taking your points in turn
Crop circles are a mystery and no one has proved that the very complex designs could be created in the dark, overnight without being detected.
The Mayan Calendar has just finished, fact. Coincidence ? maybe but worth taking note of.
I have not ignored the first two churches of Revelations they form a seperate alignment from the Great Pyramid.
The secret meaning of Rev Ch1 v20 is explained as the alignment of these churches within a much more extensive design of ancient landscape geometry which is a fact.
Bearing lines from Temple Farm identify the alignment of ancient sites and one great circle bearing highlights the last 5 churches before going to Mount Arbel and Magdala on the shores of the Sea of Galilee
Magdala / Magdala Nunayya / Al Majdal are all names for the ancient site now called Migdal and the majority opinion is that this location was the place that Mary Magdalene, Mary of Magdala, was named after.
There are currently excavations at this location because of this called the Magdala Centre Project
The importance of Mary of Magdala in the story of Christ has for many hundreds of years been covered up and denied but even the chuch today has withdrawn some of the false accusations made against her. She was the closest person to Jesus and his messenger, his companion and confidant. If we consider the geometric messages linking churches of Revelation, her town Magdala and other sites the obvious conclusion is that Mary may well have also been part of the message in drawing attention to a landscape layout of ancient sites which must have been set out at least 3000 years before the time of Mary of Magdala and Jesus.
Obviously there is a limit to the amount of information that can be included on a site like this but a manuscript is being completed which will hopefully be published soon with full details of the findings of this research.
You might then wish to reconsider your comments on the matter

Well if you know Emma, you know here avatar is called Emma Acid for a reason. However we all like her fine the way she is. As to your facts, well.......how to say this....they are in need of revision my dear Laver.

Crop circles are no mystery at all, it has been documented and filmed how they have been made, in the dark, wirthout being detected. please see the following :
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For info, these chaps did actually pay the farmer so they could do it during the day.

The mayan calendar ends? Are you 100% sure of this? Because it actually doesn't really, a cycle ends and a new one begins, also the ancient Maya civilization documented calendar dates beyond 2012 (see here). I mean it's like saying whenever the calendar in my toilet reaches the end of december, the world is going to end. Silly really.

I'm not going into the landscape geometry, because I personally believe it's a bunch of idiocies. To crosslink different periods in time, cultures and continents, to fit one's delusions, well I just don't fly like that.

The only thing I will agree with is the fact that Mary of Magdala has been somewhat downplayed and adapted by the Christian church and that she in fact was indeed the companion and confidant of the historical caracter called Jesus. To what end? Well I would imagine it was political in nature. As in, Women having a bigger role in the new faith and the discipels feeling screwed over by a woman of all people.

So hello Pot, meet Mrs Kettle...... facts if unchecked or interpreted badly can be fickle things.....

Edited by TheSearcher, 04 January 2013 - 10:06 AM.

[lightly]

first things first...     Welcome back Searcher    
I was able to view the video..  and  it's like  .. so what. Yes, you can make crop CIRCLES  that way...  but  it's the more complex designs involving curves that puzzle me as to how they were 'done'.    Like this one    germanbig..jpg   11.82K   14 downloads

     Where does a person stand to lay out those arcs?    The nifty smashy foot boards would be nearly useless in  executing a design such as this?
I don't think aliens have anything to do with crop designs.  I also don't think they have all been adequately explained away with smashy foot boards and measuring tapes.   I'm  SKEPTICAL  

[Emma_Acid]

laver, on 03 January 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

'The lady doth protest too much, methinks' - so what is your agenda?

So anyone who pulls you up on your claims has to have an agenda??

laver, on 03 January 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

Crop circles are a mystery and no one has proved that the very complex designs could be created in the dark, overnight without being detected.

Crop circles really aren't a mystery. Its been shown pretty thoroughly how complex ones can be made over night.

laver, on 03 January 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

The Mayan Calendar has just finished, fact. Coincidence ? maybe but worth taking note of

It hasn't just finished, any more than ours finishes on December 31st.

laver, on 03 January 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

I have not ignored the first two churches of Revelations they form a seperate alignment from the Great Pyramid.

As I said, the first 5 aren't in alignment, and its hardly difficult to join 3 points together (especially when 2 are next to each other).

laver, on 03 January 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

The secret meaning of Rev Ch1 v20 is explained as the alignment of these churches within a much more extensive design of ancient landscape geometry which is a fact.

Nicely vague. You haven't actually stated what in Revelations points to this, or what the "design of the ancient landscape geometry" is, or even how they fit together. None of which are "facts".

laver, on 03 January 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

Bearing lines from Temple Farm identify the alignment of ancient sites and one great circle bearing highlights the last 5 churches before going to Mount Arbel and Magdala on the shores of the Sea of Galilee
Magdala / Magdala Nunayya / Al Majdal are all names for the ancient site now called Migdal and the majority opinion is that this location was the place that Mary Magdalene, Mary of Magdala, was named after.

I've already stated - Migdal was founded in the early 1900s, and was not on the site of an early known settlement. The founders guessed as to where Mary might have been born.

I'm tempted to ignore these "circle alignments", as I've already shown how loose your definition of an alignment actually is.

laver, on 03 January 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

There are currently excavations at this location because of this called the Magdala Centre Project

As I said, Migdal was named after the Biblical town of Magdala, but isn't necessarily in the same location, altho there does seem to be a general tendency to refer to them as the same place now - when people say "Magdala", they mean Migdal, even though Magdala isn't known to have actually existed.

There is no evidence that Mary Magdalene means "Mary from Magdala".

laver, on 03 January 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

The importance of Mary of Magdala in the story of Christ has for many hundreds of years been covered up and denied but even the chuch today has withdrawn some of the false accusations made against her. She was the closest person to Jesus and his messenger, his companion and confidant. If we consider the geometric messages linking churches of Revelation, her town Magdala and other sites the obvious conclusion is that Mary may well have also been part of the message in drawing attention to a landscape layout of ancient sites which must have been set out at least 3000 years before the time of Mary of Magdala and Jesus.

A lot of huge assumptions, no?

laver, on 03 January 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

Obviously there is a limit to the amount of information that can be included on a site like this but a manuscript is being completed which will hopefully be published soon with full details of the findings of this research.
You might then wish to reconsider your comments on the matter

I have seen nothing that will make me reconsider any of my comments.

[TheSearcher]

lightly, on 04 January 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

first things first... Welcome back Searcher
I was able to view the video..  and  it's like  .. so what. Yes, you can make crop CIRCLES  that way...  but  it's the more complex designs involving curves that puzzle me as to how they were 'done'.    Like this one   germanbig..jpg

Where does a person stand to lay out those arcs? The nifty smashy foot boards would be nearly useless in  executing a design such as this?
I don't think aliens have anything to do with crop designs.  I also don't think they have all been adequately explained away with smashy foot boards and measuring tapes.   I'm  SKEPTICAL  

You'll notice that that design is still based on circles as well, so it's a question of moving the centre point very, very precisely, every time for every arc line. Pain in the butt to do, but not beyond doing this with a foot board at all. I think you would have to make the outer circle first and use that one to focus the arcs you use for the inside. start at one point and move a few feet sideways after every arc is made.

Here's another one made with such nifty smashy foot boards.