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#31    Hawkin

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:03 PM

If you read in the bible, (Genesis 18:16-33) Abraham questioned God about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah
and if their were righteous people living there, would God still destroy the cities. And God replied he wouldn't destroy
the cities. And God answered his questions without anger.

I don't see us questioning God any different then a small child asking his/her parents questions. We ask questions to learn.

It's good to have some skepticism so you won't be gullible & naïve. But to much of it can make you arrogant & egotistical.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:04 PM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 04 March 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

Not to me, I think its beautiful that dispite our size compared to the vast universe God cares for us and also how much power we as individuals have to be transformed and have influence on the world. I really think its a matter of perception, if we value ourselves we can see how god values us, or... if we believe god values us we can begin to value ourselves. It is easy for me to see this because of the amazing ways god has shown me different things, protected me and provided for me all these years. I know its not the same for everyone but because of my circumstances I have been able to benefit from acknowledging god. :) and I'm greatful for that.

The problem with that is that the bible exists and that places great value on just doing as you're told and to place extremely little value on yourself.

Why do we need god to matter?

I don't see god caring about us in any rekigion. God seems more interested in caring for itself and getting us to do as we're told and, basically, be good little thoughtless sheep.

I don't think the... whatever you encountered is the same thing as the christian god.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:06 PM

View PostMag357, on 04 March 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

If you read in the bible, (Genesis 18:16-33) Abraham questioned God about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah
and if their were righteous people living there, would God still destroy the cities. And God replied he wouldn't destroy
the cities. And God answered his questions without anger.

I don't see us questioning God any different then a small child asking his/her parents questions. We ask questions to learn.

The problem with that example is there'd have been children in those cities and yet that didn't stop him from destroying them because it suited him

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
Where are those droideka?
No one can tell you who you are
"There's the trouble with fanatics. They're easy to manipulate, but somehow they take everything five steps too far."
"The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevent, it's what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are."

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:16 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 04 March 2013 - 06:04 PM, said:



The problem with that is that the bible exists and that places great value on just doing as you're told and to place extremely little value on yourself.

Why do we need god to matter?

I don't see god caring about us in any rekigion. God seems more interested in caring for itself and getting us to do as we're told and, basically, be good little thoughtless sheep.

I don't think the... whatever you encountered is the same thing as the christian god.

The christian god is the One God, and that is the one I believe. Your bringing up points I agree with and is the very reason for this thread.. I dont think it was meant for us to be mindless sheep at all but to experience the Mind of God, and experiencing that we may find 'religion'. But my point is exactly like youve stated.

**** quote: The problem with that is that the bible exists and that places great value on just doing as you're told and to place extremely little value on yourself.****

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:16 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 04 March 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

The problem with that example is there'd have been children in those cities and yet that didn't stop him from destroying them because it suited him

To be quite honest with you, I think the bible is embellished. It's like a Hollywood Movie. If a movie is made based on a true story, there is some fiction
added to it to give it more character and draw an audience. If it was made in it's originality, it would be boring. (hence reality tv shows).

It's good to have some skepticism so you won't be gullible & naïve. But to much of it can make you arrogant & egotistical.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:42 PM

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The problem with that example is there'd have been children in those cities and yet that didn't stop him from destroying them because it suited him

I believe this story is an example of how a society can get out of control when thier sights are on fleshly matters and sin instead of being in communion with God which could restore the state of affairs to proper order. I see how this story could be upsetting for someone, stating if God is a loving God why would he destroy people, you may not agree but I can see this in a spiritual standpoint, I can see also in this present day how societies refuse what is right and good to seek after pleasure, forsaking righteousness.. these are christian terms which may be offensive and is also part of the problem when trying to discern religious docrine, opinions and mindsets.  I am still working on my vocabulary so I will not be able to articulate my understanding on this story as well as i would like to, but I do think the story of Sodom and Gomorrah serves as a purpose. We all have good and bad in us (like our creator) its up to us to seek after righteousness for our own healing and the land. When a society is out of control all people suffer. If we see this as symbolic we look at the fact that the practices of sodom and gommorah where what destroyed them and the bible itself is a continuation of this theme: the destruction of the chosen because of the destruction they chose and the eventual redemption of god, with the promise of a permenant place of joy for the faithful.

Edited by SpiritWriter, 04 March 2013 - 06:50 PM.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:44 PM

I accidently pressed post before I was done with that.. but I think you get the gist of what I was trying to say..

Basically you can look at these stories from a spiritual point of view and gain insight.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:56 PM

But there haven't been many answers to the OP, only one so far out of 38 responses... there is a lack of Christian opinion on this website guys... I know your out there, please don't be quiet. Your opinion matters! We are all in this together. I am serious I really want to know why people put more weight on the bible then anything else. Is this a spiritual truth you have learned to trust over the years or is it because you've always been taught this way? Or some other reason?

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 07:13 PM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 04 March 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

But there haven't been many answers to the OP, only one so far out of 38 responses... there is a lack of Christian opinion on this website guys... I know your out there, please don't be quiet. Your opinion matters! We are all in this together. I am serious I really want to know why people put more weight on the bible then anything else. Is this a spiritual truth you have learned to trust over the years or is it because you've always been taught this way? Or some other reason?

Everything about a person's view on life is a conditioning process starting at childhood and eventually coming to their own conclusions based
on their life style and surroundings. We can choose to run with the pack or break away and be a lone wolf and eventually form our own pack.
Like a new computer from the factory. It has no programming until software has been uploaded into it to function a certain way.

It's good to have some skepticism so you won't be gullible & naïve. But to much of it can make you arrogant & egotistical.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 07:33 PM

Simple for the following reasons and purposes.i will say it the best i can to my abilities and etc!:)First of all the Bible itself contradicts itself already in the new testament  and old testament.in the old bible or old testament "GOD" punishes people he even destroyed according to them a village because it was so corrupt and out of order,so in other words he wasa wrathful god.now in the new testament he does not punish people and etc.he says turn the other cheek around.turn the other cheek around so they could keep beating you up and etc in my opinion that's what it's saying to me.he has different rules in both the new and old bible or testament whch is the same thing to me.Also in the fisrt place why do we need to pray and get on our knees for certain things we want in life or when we need help or guidance.we are not saparate from "god" let me explain myself i am a spiritual perosn not religious okay.i refer to this god as the "god force"i do not picutre of this god force looks at all but instead keep a open mind.we ourselves have unlimited inner power and spiritual power!!!we have the power to change the world ourselves already!!!.Plus the churches and all religions don't want the peopleto think for themselves,critical thinking and question the bible or etc out of the fear that they might find out that they are written by man and not god and never was in the 1st place.let me tell ask you this.if god punshes and kills people then he is no different than the religions devils and demons!!!religion takes away peoples inner power and spiritual power in the sense and way that they are without knowing giving away power thaht they are born with in the 1st place.plus they are worshipping a false god andthey are looking for answers outside themseves instead of looing from within themselves.whoeever this god force is we are not separate from it.the bible was written by man not god and is a form of control system in society and brainwashing and mind control as well.religions are just one of many control and manipultion systems today!!!also youn know what they don't want you to ever find out biggest secret ever:we all have unlimited inner and real spiritual power ourselves there is no need for religions or these false gods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited by Andromedan Starseed 333, 04 March 2013 - 07:35 PM.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 07:45 PM

another great website that could even further help answer this question with great detail is spellsandmagic.com where it says new pages on the third colunm  to the right.it name is the brainwashed sheep and the control system of religion!

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:18 PM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 04 March 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

If the saints of old were capable of creating holy inspired text why can't we tap into that same power?
Hi SpiritWriter,

There's a misconception that it is the individual's effort to obtain the grace of the Divine. "God" chooses His vessel, not the other way around. Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on this fact. To become a swami (followers of the lineage of Shankaracharya, for example) includes a spiritual or psychic or otherworldly or divine seal of approval. To begin with, one wouldn't have the inclination to pursue swamihood if it were not in one's configuration, or destiny. In the Hindu culture, spiritual lineage is extremely important.

It's not up to us; however, we have the choice to give our time and dedication (via prayers, meditation, visiting "holy" sites, studying sacred books, cultivating spiritually inclined friends)...and wait for it to come. There are no guarantees, mind you. It may not come at all.

"The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit." (John 3:8)


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:21 PM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 04 March 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

I believe this story is an example of how a society can get out of control when thier sights are on fleshly matters and sin instead of being in communion with God which could restore the state of affairs to proper order. I see how this story could be upsetting for someone, stating if God is a loving God why would he destroy people, you may not agree but I can see this in a spiritual standpoint, I can see also in this present day how societies refuse what is right and good to seek after pleasure, forsaking righteousness.. these are christian terms which may be offensive and is also part of the problem when trying to discern religious docrine, opinions and mindsets.  I am still working on my vocabulary so I will not be able to articulate my understanding on this story as well as i would like to, but I do think the story of Sodom and Gomorrah serves as a purpose. We all have good and bad in us (like our creator) its up to us to seek after righteousness for our own healing and the land. When a society is out of control all people suffer. If we see this as symbolic we look at the fact that the practices of sodom and gommorah where what destroyed them and the bible itself is a continuation of this theme: the destruction of the chosen because of the destruction they chose and the eventual redemption of god, with the promise of a permenant place of joy for the faithful.

I think a god that is 'loving' would not destroy a city with every man, woman and child inside it. Yes that is upsetting to me. But that's because I, like any rational person, would find the deaths of a large amount of people to be a tragedy. It's something terrible, to be abhorred. A loving entity does not go on a killing spree. Somehow, though, a believer excuses it and finds ways around it. Like you just did.

We live in a human society, not a christian one. Holding christian doctrines so highly is dangerous because it's very easy to slip into a christian dictatorshiop and the next thing you know all non-believers are persecuted or killed because they are not 'righteous' enough. Or anyone that does anything against the bible gets persecuted.

Religion should be a completely personal choice. As such it has no place controlling any society, no matter how 'righteous' the reasoning.

Edited by shadowhive, 04 March 2013 - 09:22 PM.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:21 PM

It was man that wrote the bible. The bible consist of different books with different authors and that probably explains the contradictions.
Just like us on this forum who have different views on life. The thing that does make since to me in the bible is the 10 commandments.
Stealing, killing, cheating is wrong. We know it to be wrong but yet we do it and feel remorse for doing it.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:30 PM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 04 March 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:

Why is the bible not to be questioned?
The Bible has deeper meanings. Plus, the Holy Spirit is around to guide us, a much better guide than our current state of "mind" because the Bible is a living "spirit."

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