Still Waters Posted May 21, 2012 #1 Share Posted May 21, 2012 A royalist County Durham tearoom owner told how she threw three women out after they refused to stand when the National Anthem was played.Anita Atkinson opened Royal Teas in Stanhope in time for the Queen's Diamond Jubilee and to display some of her huge collection of memorabilia. The National Anthem is played at 15:00 BST and Ms Atkinson said she expected her customers to stand. So when three women refused to do so, she threw them out. http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-tyne-18141421 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Right Wing Posted May 21, 2012 #2 Share Posted May 21, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-tyne-18141421 I hope our future Monarch refuses to send them their telegram should they reach 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted May 21, 2012 Author #3 Share Posted May 21, 2012 There's more about her here - http://www.dailymail...nal-Anthem.html She's very patriotic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted May 21, 2012 #4 Share Posted May 21, 2012 She is a quintessential English Eccentric - more power to her!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphorbia Posted May 21, 2012 #5 Share Posted May 21, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-tyne-18141421 Nobody should ever try to make others be patriotic! You either are or you aren't. Forcing someone to stand or making someone feel guilty for not standing for the pledge is just wrong. It should always be a personal choice. I personally don't go to sporting events because I hate to stand for the National Anthem, and standing because you think you are supposed to has no real meaning. I don't think the Anthem belongs in sporting events anyway.......they are after all just games....... If these three women were rude then she obviously had the right to throw them out though, but I would never set foot in this woman's tearoom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted May 21, 2012 #6 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Nobody should ever try to make others be patriotic! You either are or you aren't. Forcing someone to stand or making someone feel guilty for not standing for the pledge is just wrong. It should always be a personal choice. I personally don't go to sporting events because I hate to stand for the National Anthem, and standing because you think you are supposed to has no real meaning. I don't think the Anthem belongs in sporting events anyway.......they are after all just games....... If these three women were rude then she obviously had the right to throw them out though, but I would never set foot in this woman's tearoom. ..and I think that is the whole point - you know the National Anthem will be played at 3pm - so just avoid that time... these women appear to have been out just looking for a reason to not pay their bills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 22, 2012 #7 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Good on HER!! When a guest in another's home or country it is always imperative to be polite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nephilim12 Posted May 22, 2012 #8 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Men have been hanged or quartered for less. The 3 women should be thankful they live in more forgiving times. Such behaviour is typical of the collaborators during WW II in vichy France. Everyone knows what happened to them when the war ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted May 22, 2012 #9 Share Posted May 22, 2012 is it usually the custom to play the national Athem at 1500 wherever you are in Co. Durham, or just in this eccentric establishment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted May 22, 2012 Author #10 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Nobody should ever try to make others be patriotic! You either are or you aren't. Forcing someone to stand or making someone feel guilty for not standing for the pledge is just wrong. It should always be a personal choice. I personally don't go to sporting events because I hate to stand for the National Anthem, and standing because you think you are supposed to has no real meaning. I don't think the Anthem belongs in sporting events anyway.......they are after all just games....... I agree about it being a personal choice. That said if I was in that situation myself I would just join in and sing whatever way I felt about it. It's not worth the hassle making a fuss and it's easy enough to sing along. is it usually the custom to play the national Athem at 1500 wherever you are in Co. Durham, or just in this eccentric establishment? I've no idea but I would guess it's just the lady being eccentric because of how patriotic she is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphorbia Posted May 22, 2012 #11 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I agree about it being a personal choice. That said if I was in that situation myself I would just join in and sing whatever way I felt about it. It's not worth the hassle making a fuss and it's easy enough to sing along. This situation reminds me of times where I am out to dinner with certain people and all of a sudden someone decides that saying grace would be a good idea for everyone at the table. I don't like the presumption that everyone is religious and that saying grace is normal for all. I usually just look down and can't wait for it to be over. I think the next time this happens I will just excuse myself and leave the table for the restroom and come back when they are done. I don't like being put in awkward moments (who does). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLOMBIE Posted May 22, 2012 #12 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I imagine what fellow Germans would think if this would have happened in Germany. The stance on patriotism in Germany has changed a little since the World Cup in 2006 (it is OK to hold the flag now, and it is also OK to sing along the anthem), but I assume most would clarify this woman being nuts having her nation as a substitute love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted May 22, 2012 Author #13 Share Posted May 22, 2012 This situation reminds me of times where I am out to dinner with certain people and all of a sudden someone decides that saying grace would be a good idea for everyone at the table. I don't like the presumption that everyone is religious and that saying grace is normal for all. I usually just look down and can't wait for it to be over. I think the next time this happens I will just excuse myself and leave the table for the restroom and come back when they are done. I don't like being put in awkward moments (who does). The only people this has happened with me are my brother-in-law and his wife, but then he is a 'reader' with the church of Scotland and takes services etc., even so the first time they started to say grace at the dinner table it was unexpected although I didn't mind at all, but I think my husband felt more awkward about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Right Wing Posted May 22, 2012 #14 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I imagine what fellow Germans would think if this would have happened in Germany. The stance on patriotism in Germany has changed a little since the World Cup in 2006 (it is OK to hold the flag now, and it is also OK to sing along the anthem), but I assume most would clarify this woman being nuts having her nation as a substitute love. We need to bring back treason. Off with her head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf0852 Posted May 28, 2012 #15 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Men have been hanged or quartered for less. The 3 women should be thankful they live in more forgiving times. Such behaviour is typical of the collaborators during WW II in vichy France. Everyone knows what happened to them when the war ended. this is close to were i live and to be honest if she had asked me to leave for not singing the praise the idiots song i would have told her to go f--k herself with a broom handle and get a brain. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted May 29, 2012 #16 Share Posted May 29, 2012 .. But is this like really serious? It is an off-beat, eccentric coffee bar (probably Tea bar)., it is stated quite clearly when the National Anthem will be played... i would not go there personally at this time because my family were Roundheads, but live and let live is always a great motto. It doesnt harm anyone at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis914 Posted May 29, 2012 #17 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Nobody should ever try to make others be patriotic! You either are or you aren't. Forcing someone to stand or making someone feel guilty for not standing for the pledge is just wrong. It should always be a personal choice. I personally don't go to sporting events because I hate to stand for the National Anthem, and standing because you think you are supposed to has no real meaning. I don't think the Anthem belongs in sporting events anyway.......they are after all just games....... If these three women were rude then she obviously had the right to throw them out though, but I would never set foot in this woman's tearoom. You know, this really cracks me up when it comes to doing little things for your country. The Pledge of Allegiance, honoring the National Anthem, etc, all take a total of... what, maybe 2 or 3 minutes and you don't have the time or patience to stand for it? Yeah, it should be a personal choice, but its also the lady's choice to not have people like that in her place of establishment... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted May 29, 2012 #18 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Her shop, her rules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphorbia Posted May 31, 2012 #19 Share Posted May 31, 2012 You know, this really cracks me up when it comes to doing little things for your country. The Pledge of Allegiance, honoring the National Anthem, etc, all take a total of... what, maybe 2 or 3 minutes and you don't have the time or patience to stand for it? Please......tell me how standing for the National Anthem or the Pledge of Allegiance is doing something for my country? Does it solve the national debt???........or the economy???.......or any other problems Americans have? You want to stand and be all patriotic......go for it. When the people of our country actually stand together instead of being divided maybe then I could feel patriotic......until then, I stand by what I say! Yeah, it should be a personal choice, but its also the lady's choice to not have people like that in her place of establishment... I already agreed with this and don't see why you're even bringing it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis914 Posted June 1, 2012 #20 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Please......tell me how standing for the National Anthem or the Pledge of Allegiance is doing something for my country? Does it solve the national debt???........or the economy???.......or any other problems Americans have? You want to stand and be all patriotic......go for it. When the people of our country actually stand together instead of being divided maybe then I could feel patriotic......until then, I stand by what I say! I already agreed with this and don't see why you're even bringing it up! The point being is that this brief ceremony was prescribed as something that all Americans should identify with and come together for that brief moment but apparently that's not the case. If you expect these ceremonies to solve any problems, you'd only be kidding yourself. I guess I can never count on all Americans to stand together particularly if they feel they don't have to follow a simple 2-3 minute song or recite a verse but I do know that the majority of Americans feel more like I do. It's a good thing you're not in some place like North Korea where people get locked up for not saying a blessing to a mural of the dictator, there's no choice in the matter... I didn't see that you agreed with that statement that's why I was bringing it up, but I'm guessing from your words that you would rather I suppress my opinions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphorbia Posted June 1, 2012 #21 Share Posted June 1, 2012 The point being is that this brief ceremony was prescribed as something that all Americans should identify with and come together for that brief moment but apparently that's not the case. If you expect these ceremonies to solve any problems, you'd only be kidding yourself. I guess I can never count on all Americans to stand together particularly if they feel they don't have to follow a simple 2-3 minute song or recite a verse but I do know that the majority of Americans feel more like I do. It's a good thing you're not in some place like North Korea where people get locked up for not saying a blessing to a mural of the dictator, there's no choice in the matter... You said "You know, this really cracks me up when it comes to doing little things for your country." So please explain what it is I'm doing for my country when I stand and recite these pledges......and please, not the North Korea thing again. It's becoming a cliche. I didn't see that you agreed with that statement that's why I was bringing it up, but I'm guessing from your words that you would rather I suppress my opinions... Read the last sentence of my post #5.......you know......the one you replied to. I don't, nor have I ever wished for anyone's opinion to be suppressed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Right Wing Posted June 1, 2012 #22 Share Posted June 1, 2012 this is close to were i live and to be honest if she had asked me to leave for not singing the praise the idiots song i would have told her to go f--k herself with a broom handle and get a brain. Charming attitude Why do you hate the Monarchy so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Right Wing Posted June 1, 2012 #23 Share Posted June 1, 2012 You know, this really cracks me up when it comes to doing little things for your country. The Pledge of Allegiance, honoring the National Anthem, etc, all take a total of... what, maybe 2 or 3 minutes and you don't have the time or patience to stand for it? Yeah, it should be a personal choice, but its also the lady's choice to not have people like that in her place of establishment... Nation pride starts with having pride in oneself Thats why they wont stand for the national anthem because they dont value themselves as Americans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted June 1, 2012 #24 Share Posted June 1, 2012 this is close to were i live and to be honest if she had asked me to leave for not singing the praise the idiots song i would have told her to go f--k herself with a broom handle and get a brain. Then you would be considered a traitor and some places kill you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Right Wing Posted June 1, 2012 #25 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Then you would be considered a traitor and some places kill you If he did it in my local they would kill him for sure !!! I dont like Charles because he sleeps with his Butlers, talks to plants and likes women that look like horses. The others I have full respect for and like but he needs a PR job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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