Evolution smevolution?

[ShaunZero]

Are you sure evolution can be measured and studied properly if it takes as long as scientists said? Have we been studying it for THAT long? If not, how can you call it fact. O_o

Observe what happens; based on those observations, form a theory as to what may be true; test the theory by further observations and by experiments; and watch to see if the predictions based on the theory are fulfilled. Is this the method followed by those who beleive in and teach evolutions?

And if we evolve for the best, how come people are so violent these days. Instead of becoming peaceful people, we become more and more corrupt as time goes by. I'm sure alot of people will rationalize this, but it's plain to see and right in front of your face. People are more violent these days, and the world IS more of a violent place. To say otherwise is obsurd in my opinion. =P (Might not pertain to evolution, but it's a funny thought. If we evolve for the best, I sureley don't see the evidence of that these days).

[SilverCougar]

Wow.. and we just got through with someone crying that people were bashing her poor christian faith... and that christians were perfectly innocent of such a crime...

And wet the moment Zero comes back it's attacks on scient and evolution... tch tch.

If you can't see evolution with your eyes dear... then take off the blinders. Evolution is a rather noticable thing. Wheither or not it was random chance of some "ID" thing... I cannot tell you. That is something up to your own mind.

[Yelekiah]

If not, how can you call it fact.

No one calls evolution a fact. It's still a theory.

Why is this in the Sprituality vs Skepticism section?

Are you trying to argue that evolution isn't as valid as...Creationism or something?

Edited November 26, 2005 by Yelekiah

[ShaunZero]

I've heard someone say it's a fact. Or maybe it was "Almost a fact" XD. Anyway, they still act as if it is fact. Now that in my opinion can't be denied.

Wow.. and we just got through with someone crying that people were bashing her poor christian faith... and that christians were perfectly innocent of such a crime...

Guess what, I'm not that person. So tcht tcht. Since when am I responseable for someone I don't even know? Silver, you've done nothing to answer my questions, just claimed "evolution is everywhere! You're blind if you can't see it!". Thank you.

I think yel already cleared this one up. Evolution is just a theory..

But, is it really scientific?

Observe what happens; based on those observations, form a theory as to what may be true; test the theory by further observations and by experiments; and watch to see if the predictions based on the theory are fulfilled. Is this the method followed by those who beleive in and teach evolutions?

How do you observe it while it happens if we havn't even been around long enough to do this?

Edited November 26, 2005 by ZeroShadow

[Yelekiah]

Well Darwin observed fossils and birds, etc. That's how.

[SilverCougar]

Neither are gods.. inclueding your own. *shrugs* So either you either you believe one, the other, or both. Evolution *is* everywhere.. you choose not to see it. You choose to base everything on a book writen at a time when science wasn't even truely founded. Does it scare you to think that there something else other then faith to explain things? Is that why you lash out so?

And no you're not her... but my point still stands. Like it or not.

[ShaunZero]

Well Darwin observed fossils and birds, etc. That's how.

But he didn't observe them changing. Rather formed a theory on what he saw in fossels, not actual evolution. That's why it's only theory.

[Yelekiah]

Interesting Fact of the Day:

There is more "evidence" to support evolution than there is for Creationism.

edit: No kidding. But the fossils changed according to him.

Edited November 26, 2005 by Yelekiah

[SilverCougar]

But he didn't observe them changing. Rather formed a theory on what he saw in fossels, not actual evolution. That's why it's only theory.

And we can, today, watch micro evolution... and if we lived for thousands of years... would intern see macroevolution... it takes a rather long time of microevolution to build up to a macro. Even now there have been some noticibal changes among species.

Cheetas are one examble. It wasn't untill recently (and by that I mean the past couple of decades) that they started showing up with a different pattern on their pelts. That's a rather noticible microevolution. Something within the enviroment triggered a gene to create that different pattern. (Look up King Cheeta... you'll see a set or solid stripe running down their backs. "normal" cheetas don't have that... the King pattern is a new develoupment) Now because there has to be a "skeptic" of evolution... we have to keep this "Proof" as "evidence of a theory".

[Solofront]

Well Darwin observed fossils and birds, etc. That's how.

He observed fossils and birds evolve?

That dude was on something thats for sure

[Yelekiah]

Remember he was in the Galapagos Islands? Can't remember the name of the birds though. I don't fully agree with Darwin myself. But when it comes to Creationism, where is the evidence? At least the former theory has *something* to back it up.

[SilverCougar]

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He observed and studied the simularities between modern birds and the fossils he had aquired... And put together a working theory.

Over time it became more and more refined, and is still an on going process. Because there are always more and more things out there to find and study.

[Yelekiah]

Right and he looked at vestigial limbs, etc.

[frogfish]

and also at how different variety of finches were specialized on each island...

[frogfish]

And if we evolve for the best, how come people are so violent these days. Instead of becoming peaceful people, we become more and more corrupt as time goes by. I'm sure alot of people will rationalize this, but it's plain to see and right in front of your face. People are more violent these days, and the world IS more of a violent place. To say otherwise is obsurd in my opinion

We are just as violent know as we were back when we were fighting off megafauna and killing wach other for bones...you have to remeber evolution is a slow process....We do have evolution in the human race...Why do you think some people have darker skin and hair, like me, while others have lighter skin and hair, like Yelekiah? Why are the natives in S. America Generally Shorter than those here in N. America?

[ShaunZero]

I never claimed creationism was any more prooved than evolution. Just that evolution isn't as close to fact as people would like to act.

[ShaunZero]

Interesting Fact of the Day:

There is more "evidence" to support evolution than there is for Creationism.

edit: No kidding. But the fossils changed according to him.

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He observed and studied the simularities between modern birds and the fossils he had aquired... And put together a working theory.

Over time it became more and more refined, and is still an on going process. Because there are always more and more things out there to find and study.

That what I'm saying. He didn't actualy see evolution, he just made a theory on what caused the change and called it evolution. No one has ever actualy watched evolution. And no one can know if evolution is real without living long enough to watch it happen in my opinion. Hey, they say "seeing is believing".

[frogfish]

What would be close then? Evolution takes millions of years...we have been here for 10,000, and we have clearly evolved from Early Homo Sapiens...for the last few thousand years is too small a window for evolution.

[Knothere]

We are just as violent know as we were back when we were fighting off megafauna and killing wach other for bones...you have to remeber evolution is a slow process....We do have evolution in the human race...Why do you think some people have darker skin and hair, like me, while others have lighter skin and hair, like Yelekiah? Why are the natives in S. America Generally Shorter than those here in N. America?

Carrreful where you're going with that, you're close to opening a can of worms I really don't think you want to open.

[SilverCougar]

I never claimed creationism was any more prooved than evolution. Just that evolution isn't as close to fact as people would like to act.

People arn't saying evolution's 100% fact. They're saying there's more evidence of it over creationalism faith.

[frogfish]

? Those are forms of specialization....It would be hard trudging through the jungle if you are 6' 6", 220 lbs....much easier if you were 5' 9" 170 lbs.

[Yelekiah]

I'm not blonde frogfish.

[ShaunZero]

People arn't saying evolution's 100% fact. They're saying there's more evidence of it over creationalism faith.

More words are put into my mouth. I didn't say that, I said alot of evolutionist try to act as if it's fact. Alot of them consider you stupid if you don't believe in evolution.

[frogfish]

I'm not blonde frogfish

But you do have lighter hair than me

[SilverCougar]

? Those are forms of specialization....It would be hard trudging through the jungle if you are 6' 6", 220 lbs....much easier if you were 5' 9" 170 lbs.

This is true. It's the same with body hair. Native Americans have hardly any body hair.. (I know this one... my Brother is from the Mohawk reservation in Northern NY... we adopted him.. well we both are. My mother is part Native American too... but she has no tribe affinity) He never has to shave... he just hardly grows any facial hair at all.. maybe a thin little mustach that you can barely see. The Inuets especialy... they hardly grow facial hair... yet people of Arabiam backgrounds are covered in hair. It's evolution due to enviromental living. Facial hair in colder climates is.. horrid... it catches ice and snow on your face and keeps the cold there. While in the hotter sandy desert climates.. the hair catches the sweat which helps cool the body off.