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[Abramelin]

Why don't you post in English?

And check the edit of my former post: his act of resistance had nothing to do with his funny ideas about the OLB and things related.

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Edited by Abramelin, 29 November 2012 - 08:39 AM.

[Otharus]

Abramelin, on 29 November 2012 - 08:03 AM, said:

... when he was arrested in Dordrecht in July 1943 by the enemy and after many long interrogations, was sentenced to death and after having spent a year in prison, was transferred to prisons in Germany in 1944...

A death sentence would have led to immediate execution.
Why would 'the enemy' have spared his life and fed him for almost two years?

And again, if he worked for the resistance, why would he have been so utterly stupid to risk being arrested by publishing about the OLB in 1943, despite prohibition?!!!!!

It simply all does not make sense.

[Abramelin]

Otharus, on 29 November 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

Fragment v.h. artikel uit 1946:

Verder verscheen nog een ander boekje: Het Oera Linda boek (1941) dat o.a. door Goebels werd verboden. Toch gaat de heer Overwijn verder met de verspreiding, hoewel de beruchte ds. G. van Duyl, die tot de SS was overgegaan, hem ten stelligste had verboden op enigerlei wijze propaganda te maken, op straffe van onmiddelijke arrestatie. Ondanks deze waarschuwing worden beide boekjes geplaatst.

Overwijn, J.F., - Merkwaardige namen en plaatsen in het O.L.B. - Ons Eigen Volk III, 1943, pp. 262-271.

Ons eigen volk ~ Tijdschrift voor vaderlandse gebruiken, gewoonten en volksverhalen
Schagen : NV Drukkerij en Uitg.Mij. v.h. W.F.K.
http://www.westfriesarchief.nl/...

Ik heb deze publicatie in handen gehad in het archief van Hoorn, en ik kan je verzekeren dat het geen verzetsblaadje was.

Overwijn was een fantast van het eerste uur (zijn woonboot noemde hij "het kasteel"), die zijn gave heeft ingezet om zich na de oorlog voor te doen als verzetsheld.

Als hij in de oorlog ter dood veroordeeld was, hadden ze hem niet nog een jaar lang gevangen gehouden.

Ik zou dat "boekje" uit 1941 wel eens willen lezen, om te zien waarom Goebels het zou hebben verboden.
En zijn vermeende doodsvonnis.

"Overwijn was een fantast van het eerste uur (zijn woonboot noemde hij "het kasteel"), die zijn gave heeft ingezet om zich na de oorlog voor te doen als verzetsheld."

In English:
Overwijn was a first class fantast (his houseboat he called "the castle"), who used his gift of storytelling to pretend after the war he had been a hero of the resistance.

You seriously think they hand out medals for a captivating war story?

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Edited by Abramelin, 29 November 2012 - 08:49 AM.

[Otharus]

Abramelin, on 29 November 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

You seriously think they hand out medals for a captivating war story?

He will not have been the only one who performed that trick with success.

The only thing you need is a few friends who confirm your story (and in his case a journalist, or maybe he even wrote that '46 article himself).

[Abramelin]

Otharus, on 29 November 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

A death sentence would have led to immediate execution.
Why would 'the enemy' have spared his life and fed him for almost two years?

And again, if he worked for the resistance, why would he have been so utterly stupid to risk being arrested by publishing about the OLB in 1943, despite prohibition?!!!!!

It simply all does not make sense.

It all makes sense when you think of his writings as a cover-up. For the enemy he was only busy writing about some weird fantastic book, but most of the time he was gathering info.for the resistance.

Eventually the Germans nailed him, but they could use him for the info he had gathered. No doubt he was able to keep them busy checking his info. His 'gift' saved his ass, so to speak.

[Abramelin]

Otharus, on 29 November 2012 - 08:53 AM, said:

He will not have been the only one who performed that trick with success.

The only thing you need is a few friends who confirm your story (and in his case a journalist, or maybe he even wrote that '46 article himself).

You know, I really don't care.

He was in good company, right? A real shame Cornelis Over de Linden was dead long before WWII started or else they would have been a perfect team and drive the Gestapo nuts, lol.

[Otharus]

Overwijn has done more harm than good to the credibility of the OLB, with nonsensical claims like that the JOL script is 20.000 years old, and that "Atland" actually comes from the Mayan word Atl = water, war, hair on the head (source Jensma 2004, p.156).

Edited by Otharus, 29 November 2012 - 09:03 AM.

[Abramelin]

Otharus, on 29 November 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

Overwijn has done more harm to the credibility of the OLB, with nonsensical claims like that the JOL script is 20.000 years old, and that "Atland" actually comes from the Mayan word Atl = water, war, hair on the head (source Jensma 2004, p.156).

I think the OLB served for him as a way of relaxing, focusing on some fantasy to not go crazy by what happened in real life.

It's like some general writing poetry during a break in a siege. That doesn't mean that general is some airhead, or softy or whatever, it just helps him to stay mentally sane.

[Otharus]

Abramelin, on 29 November 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

I think the OLB served for him as a way of relaxing, focusing on some fantasy to not go crazy by what happened in real life.

It's like some general writing poetry during a break in a siege. That doesn't mean that general is some airhead, or softy or whatever, it just helps him to stay mentally sane.

[Abramelin]

I remember I already compared Alewyn's book with the one written by Overwijn.

Alewyn once asked me if what he wrote in his book, his theory, was absurd or not. No, I didn't think that his ideas were absurd, but Overwijn's sure were.

But a theory not being absurd doesn't make it true instead.

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Edited by Abramelin, 29 November 2012 - 09:23 AM.

[Abramelin]

Btw, a bit more about Overwijn's activities during the war, and how, why and by whom he was arrested:

http://www.dordrecht...ugen-geven.html

http://www.verzetind...dienst wim.html

And when you read all that, it's kind of hard to keep assuming he was nothing but some dreamer or fantast or even liar.

There were too many people involved for him to pull that trick, to pretend he had been a war hero.

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EDIT:

I am not going to translate all of it, but this guy was no nutter He was the head of an intelligence group in Dordrecht, "Dienst Wim". He even notified prime minister Colijn about the imminent German invasion, but that guy rejected Overwijn's warning note as being 'false and alarming', jeesh.




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Edited by Abramelin, 29 November 2012 - 09:45 AM.

[Otharus]

If you find us a copy of his 1941 'booklet', you are a hero.

[Abramelin]

Otharus, on 29 November 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

If you find us a copy of his 1941 'booklet', you are a hero.

http://www.marktplaa...r-oud-1940.html



Uit zijn in 1940 verschenen Onze Huis- en Grafteekens bleek trouwens al dat hij het OLB als een historische bron beschouwde.

His "Our House and Grave Symbols" from 1940 already proved that he considered the OLB to be a historical source.

http://www.skepsis.nl/oeralinda.html

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EDIT:

And although it contains 119 pages, people still call it a 'booklet' (DU: 'boekje'):

http://www.dordt.net...027overwijn.cfm

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Edited by Abramelin, 29 November 2012 - 10:13 AM.

[Abramelin]

OK, my mistake: it is his 1941 book about the Oera Linda Book that Goebels was against being published, not the one I posted about in my former post.

There are still copies available:

http://www.antiqbook...2642-0242.shtml

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EDIT:

I checked my copy of the 1951 edition, and it says the first edition was published in August 1941.



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Edited by Abramelin, 29 November 2012 - 11:06 AM.

[Abramelin]

According to Overwijn (1951) he found the next poem in the inheritance of an Emiel van Biervliet in Brugge/Bruges (Belgium) of some years before WWII; it's in the second scan, on the left:







This Emiel van Biervliet did really exist:
http://www.dbnl.org/....php?id=bier004

You will see the names Wrald and Od....

Translation will follow (dunno when, lol).

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Edited by Abramelin, 29 November 2012 - 11:54 AM.