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Demons, what are they?

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#151    goodconversations

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 04:58 PM

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You can't really limit other dimensions to reflect your own comfort zone. I think that's how most horror movies begin: everything seems great...then what the hell is that!


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 05:22 PM

The beings of "Spirit" are conscious fields of electricity. They were created when the big bang happened, directly. Some, have the creatures of this dimensions best interests in mind; what could be called Angels, some do not, what could be called Demons; others have only the plants in mind; what the Wiccans and Druids call Spirits--they were created indirectly by whatever force created the Universe.  
This is, of course, from my own understanding of the topic insofar as I have experienced it. I am of the belief that their corporeal forms exists in other worlds of the Multiverse.


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 05:27 PM

In other words, Demons are creatures that are immortal and are able to transcend the fabric of dimension space and time of this universe. They just do not have this realities best interests in mind. They were in the beginning, but not before the One who preceded everything; Call it God if you wish.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 05:50 PM

View PostGoddess_Lilith, on 01 April 2013 - 01:30 AM, said:

What they were viewed as and what they are in fact are, are two completely different things. Again I'm talking facts sweetie, not views and/or beliefs. Do you know what's facts are?

The facts are that we die, and a part of us doesn't. Call it the spirit, or call it a standing holographic wave pattern that is our consciousness. Then there are other conscious beings who may or may never have had a body and they don't like us very much.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 07:00 PM

Hi Jor-el,

Hope you have a had a good Easter!

Interesting topic Jor-el. Just wondering from what you are saying that the 'fallen Angel's' aren't Demons, then what in your opinion is their role?


Matthew 25:41

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41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:06 PM

Demons run when a good man goes to war.
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:16 PM

View PostStar of the Sea, on 01 April 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

Hi Jor-el,

Hope you have a had a good Easter!

Interesting topic Jor-el. Just wondering from what you are saying that the 'fallen Angel's' aren't Demons, then what in your opinion is their role?


Matthew 25:41

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41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

A good quote that says alot if looked at carefully.

Notice right off that neither are called demons, but that does not make these angels any less evil in Gods sight, hence the biblical expression, fallen angels.

If we had to do it another way, we could substitute demon and angel for another two words, like dolphin and whale. Each is a separate species and neither can become the other.. that doesn't mean they aren't both cetaceans.

The difference is not merely one of species I think but also of order. Demons are the interactors (with humans) but they are ruled by a higher order called principalities and another called powers.

Essentially these words allow us to form a toporaphy (map of the terrain) of a region. Just like our world has nations and Empires, so does the spirtual world, some beholden to others, some seemingly all powerful... Principalities refers to a region of influence or dominion on Earth.

Daniel 10:20-21

20 Then he said, “Do you know why I have come to you? But now I will return to fight against the prince of Persia; and when I go out, behold, the prince of Greece will come. 21 But I will tell you what is inscribed in the book of truth: there is none who contends by my side against these except Michael, your prince.

Each nation or at least region has a prince in charge of that region, the region itself is called a principality, above this order of principalities, we have Powers who rule groups of principalities and above them all we have Satan.

The bible initially divides the entire world into 70 nations, or principalites (regions). In ancient times, these would typically be grouped into regions inhabited by specific tribes or ethnicities and does not have much to do with our concept of nations as we have it today.

So what are these fallen angels, they are the powers and the principalites of the spiritual realm. The rulers, not the footsoldiers.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:35 PM

View PostJor-el, on 01 April 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

A good quote that says alot if looked at carefully.

Notice right off that neither are called demons, but that does not make these angels any less evil in Gods sight, hence the biblical expression, fallen angels.

If we had to do it another way, we could substitute demon and angel for another two words, like dolphin and whale. Each is a separate species and neither can become the other.. that doesn't mean they aren't both cetaceans.

The difference is not merely one of species I think but also of order. Demons are the interactors (with humans) but they are ruled by a higher order called principalities and another called powers.

Essentially these words allow us to form a toporaphy (map of the terrain) of a region. Just like our world has nations and Empires, so does the spirtual world, some beholden to others, some seemingly all powerful... Principalities refers to a region of influence or dominion on Earth.

Daniel 10:20-21

20 Then he said, “Do you know why I have come to you? But now I will return to fight against the prince of Persia; and when I go out, behold, the prince of Greece will come. 21 But I will tell you what is inscribed in the book of truth: there is none who contends by my side against these except Michael, your prince.

Each nation or at least region has a prince in charge of that region, the region itself is called a principality, above this order of principalities, we have Powers who rule groups of principalities and above them all we have Satan.

The bible initially divides the entire world into 70 nations, or principalites (regions). In ancient times, these would typically be grouped into regions inhabited by specific tribes or ethnicities and does not have much to do with our concept of nations as we have it today.

So what are these fallen angels, they are the powers and the principalites of the spiritual realm. The rulers, not the footsoldiers.

Thanks Jor-el, that's very interesting. Just curious to what you would consider to be an evil spirit in the Bible? Would you say it is a Demon?

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:45 PM

View PostJor-el, on 01 April 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:


So what are these fallen angels, they are the powers and the principalites of the spiritual realm. The rulers, not the footsoldiers.
My gut feeling tells me the devil doesn't know about his fate. I think God blinded him. Why do you think God didn't destroy them in the book of Revelation? "They will be tormented day and night forever and ever".

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:55 PM

View PostJor-el, on 01 April 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:



The facts are that we die, and a part of us doesn't. Call it the spirit, or call it a standing holographic wave pattern that is our consciousness. Then there are other conscious beings who may or may never have had a body and they don't like us very much.

I agree, it is a fact that we die.


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:55 PM

View PostStar of the Sea, on 01 April 2013 - 09:35 PM, said:

Thanks Jor-el, that's very interesting. Just curious to what you would consider to be an evil spirit in the Bible? Would you say it is a Demon?

Yes, I could classify it as that, although some opinions might differ. Footsoldiers do the hard work.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:57 PM

View Posteuroninja, on 01 April 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

My gut feeling tells me the devil doesn't know about his fate. I think God blinded him. Why do you think God didn't destroy them in the book of Revelation? "They will be tormented day and night forever and ever".

Oh I believe he does, I would say that he was deluded until up until the crucifixion of Jesus. At that time his fate was sealed with the resurrection and that is when he found out.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:59 PM

View PostGoddess_Lilith, on 01 April 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

I agree, it is a fact that we die.

I have another thread called "Does the Spirit world exist?" I'm sure there you will find a number of people there who would categorically disagree with you on that being the only fact.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:05 PM

View PostJor-el, on 01 April 2013 - 09:57 PM, said:

Oh I believe he does, I would say that he was deluded until up until the crucifixion of Jesus. At that time his fate was sealed with the resurrection and that is when he found out.
Let's say you're right. What do you think he's doing to bypass his fate?

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:09 PM

View Posteuroninja, on 01 April 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

Let's say you're right. What do you think he's doing to bypass his fate?

Take as many of us as he can with him.

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