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[Slave2Fate]

Oniomancer, on 15 February 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

You can't go strictly by appearances, which is all they've got. Cannot. You just can't do it.

I know you've likely read most, if not all of the thread, but that's the entirety of zoser's argument in a nutshell, what things 'appear' to be. To an untrained/uneducated eye, appearances are almost always deceiving, barring the occasional lucky guess. I'm still waiting on zoser's lucky guess, probability says it should have happened by now yet it hasn't...odd.

[Oniomancer]

Slave2Fate, on 15 February 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

I know you've likely read most, if not all of the thread, but that's the entirety of zoser's argument in a nutshell, what things 'appear' to be. To an untrained/uneducated eye, appearances are almost always deceiving, barring the occasional lucky guess. I'm still waiting on zoser's lucky guess, probability says it should have happened by now yet it hasn't...odd.

Oh I know. We went over that fact several times just on the "vitrification".

Edited by Oniomancer, 15 February 2013 - 10:22 PM.

[TheSearcher]

zoser, on 15 February 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

I've read them.  Nothing there that's relevant to the facts.  That's all the skeptics have been doing here for weeks.  It's just an exercise in self delusion as far as I can see.

-SNIP- (because it's not relevant in any way either, but just another bout of nincompoopery)

If you had read them, you'd have to admit that it is rather strange that there would be plaster in the cracks, this would mean that the cracks were there already when the plaster was applied. Explain to me how this cannot be relevant, because it shows that the cracks were not caused by something internal. They would have been there before your imaginary reactor/generator was put into imaginary function.

You say it's all in the stones and you are correct, shame you can't read them.

[the L]

I dont know why aliens must come in the past and built something or made genocide. Maybe they were here for their own scientific expedition. We ve done same expedition in the past. (europeans)

[synchronomy]

zoser, on 15 February 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

I've read them.  Nothing there that's relevant to the facts.  That's all the skeptics have been doing here for weeks.  It's just an exercise in self delusion as far as I can see.

There is absolutely not a shred of evidence to demonstrate that ET's have even visited this planet.  Not now, not a thousand years ago, not a million years ago.  Nada.  Hence, there are no relevant facts pertaining to the subject.
But...you conclude those who accept currently accepted theories are skeptics.
...and because they do not believe in evidence which does not exist...they are self delusional?

No offence but it seems that your own "wishful thinking" is causing some bias in your evaluation of what can only be described as speculative conjecture.

There is absolutely not a shred of evidence to demonstrate that ET's have even visited this planet....yet something in my gut keeps telling me to "believe" that they have.
For the record, I suppose, I believe that it's possible that they have visited in the past and maybe still are visiting.
...but I want to see proof.
Not big stones bashed into shape and put into place by brute force.  I get p***ed when I keep hearing the term "precision" to describe right angles which are more like 85 degrees and "laser cut accuracy" to describe surfaces which are as flat as the highlands of Scotland.

[badeskov]

synchronomy, on 16 February 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

There is absolutely not a shred of evidence to demonstrate that ET's have even visited this planet.  Not now, not a thousand years ago, not a million years ago.  Nada.  Hence, there are no relevant facts pertaining to the subject.
But...you conclude those who accept currently accepted theories are skeptics.
...and because they do not believe in evidence which does not exist...they are self delusional?

No offence but it seems that your own "wishful thinking" is causing some bias in your evaluation of what can only be described as speculative conjecture.

There is absolutely not a shred of evidence to demonstrate that ET's have even visited this planet....yet something in my gut keeps telling me to "believe" that they have.
For the record, I suppose, I believe that it's possible that they have visited in the past and maybe still are visiting.
...but I want to see proof.
Not big stones bashed into shape and put into place by brute force.  I get p***ed when I keep hearing the term "precision" to describe right angles which are more like 85 degrees and "laser cut accuracy" to describe surfaces which are as flat as the highlands of Scotland.

Very good post Synch! I feel your pain, and I admire the patience of numerous posters that keep their heads cool and relentlessly and repeatedly carefully explain what are facts and what are not! Kudos to you (you know who you are).

And while Zoser seems to have had a fact blocking filter installed and his gullibility amplifier cranked all the way up, I have personally learned a lot along the way and I am sure I am not the only one.

Cheers,
Badeskov

[seeder]

TheSearcher, on 16 February 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

If you had read them, you'd have to admit that it is rather strange that there would be plaster in the cracks, this would mean that the cracks were there already when the plaster was applied. Explain to me how this cannot be relevant, because it shows that the cracks were not caused by something internal. They would have been there before your imaginary reactor/generator was put into imaginary function.

You say it's all in the stones and you are correct, shame you can't read them.

He may 'say' he reads stuff but this isnt entirely true, he may 'start' to read something we the skeptics post, and then see overwhelming facts and decide to skip the rest of the post. In fact for those who have followed this thread ...just when I posted the 3 very factual reports relating to cracks and plaster, info given by REAL archeologists with a license to take samples and make scans from the mids....(which not just any researcher is granted), what does he do in the face of that info?  He says..."now -going back to Puma Punku".... which as I say often is just a swerve. And he does it over and over.

synchronomy, on 16 February 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

There is absolutely not a shred of evidence to demonstrate that ET's have even visited this planet.  Not now, not a thousand years ago, not a million years ago.  Nada.  Hence, there are no relevant facts pertaining to the subject.
But...you conclude those who accept currently accepted theories are skeptics.
...and because they do not believe in evidence which does not exist...they are self delusional?

No offence but it seems that your own "wishful thinking" is causing some bias in your evaluation of what can only be described as speculative conjecture.

Indeed we have observed the 'confirmation bias' with the kind of info he seeks out and then posts here

(http://en.wikipedia....nfirmation_bias)

He quotes often he is doing 'research' haha (watching vids in other words), but real research is done by evaluating all the info from many sources. I had no idea there was plaster in the cracks in the GP, but I reasoned that there must be another explanation  other than a power plant exploding, so I google up, very simply, "cracked beams, great pyramid" and BOOM, we find there are indeed explanations to counter his - "no-one can explain it" statements!

Now had he bothered to do a simple search as I did, he may have arrived at another conclusion, but he didnt bother, just quoted Dunn like he was the ultimate authority

As you get pi** off, I do too, but what gets me going, is the source of his info. Some may notice my tendency to check his sources often, and if we are going to hear someone try convince us about the AA having something to do with anything, the source of the info is crucial.

His source, literally ONE MAN....(and influenced by Von Daniken) is not an egyptologist, not an archeologist, not much of anything really, he just regurgitated an old idea in an old work of fiction, expanded some ideas, mixed a few new ones in, and then presents his book to the world.

But the book is a work of fiction. Or to be precise, we can say because the Mids are real, but the ideas are just lunacy, then its a work of semi fiction, but no matter how you look at it, its most definitely not a work of fact.

IN fact, anyone with a reasonable disposition would just have taken the book/ideas with a large pinch of salt, but zoser (and others who no longer post), get all squishy inside and BELIEVE...a work of semi fiction!! UNBELIEVABLE! Then watch all the youtube vids to get further brainwashed.

Blimey we might as well investigate an issue in a X-Files book and discuss that for lord knows how many pages...







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Edited by seeder, 16 February 2013 - 07:37 PM.

[seeder]

badeskov, on 16 February 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

Very good post Synch! I feel your pain, and I admire the patience of numerous posters that keep their heads cool and relentlessly and repeatedly carefully explain what are facts and what are not! Kudos to you (you know who you are).

And while Zoser seems to have had a fact blocking filter installed and his gullibility amplifier cranked all the way up, I have personally learned a lot along the way and I am sure I am not the only one.

Cheers,
Badeskov

  ha that gave me such a good laugh, thanks!

[Hazzard]

I can only agree with Badeskov. Very nice indeed. Keep up the good work.

I dont visit this thread much, because of the enormous amount of pseudo science, tabloid crap, wishful thinking and compete and utter nonsense posted here.

I kinda feel sorry for poor zoser,... he is truly lost.

Edited by Hazzard, 16 February 2013 - 07:04 PM.

[badeskov]

seeder, on 16 February 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

  ha that gave me such a good laugh, thanks!

Haha, you are most welcome. Admittedly, I have very little knowledge of Egypt, pyramids, stones and how they are "processed" and to which precision so i have little to add. but I do know about electricity and what kind of precision is possible in my field of expertise (nm precision), and most importantly, I do recognize ignorance when I see it.

Cheers,
Badeskov

[DONTEATUS]

Well Its all in a Days work we all get what we want outta Life,And some of us Actually return some knowledge back into the system. Cheer`s Badeskov`s Now Get over to the Flight Line were planning a Mission to Mars !

[scowl]

To sum up everything at this point.

We have piezoelectric power being generated by a material which is not piezoelectric being vibrated by continuous earth movement to a precise frequency which has never been detected by any seismograph and electricity transmitted not through physical conductors but through some invisible method which there is no evidence of, to generate electricity for no apparent reason.

No wait! We have nuclear energy being generated by unrefined uranium more pure than any uranium ever found on our planet which leaves no trace of decayed radioactive elements generated by nuclear reactions, and with no apparent means to convert this heat energy into anything useful. The best theory is that Martians used the pyramid as a breeder reactor to create plutonium to transport back to Mars. It also has the ability to turn granite brown when no known physical process can do this.

We also have a straight scorch mark which must have been created by an electric arc because it is straight unlike any electric arc anyone has seen.

And we have cracks in a large piece of granite which must have been caused by an explosion because granite cannot crack under its own weight because no piece of granite ever quarried has had internal flaws.

[seeder]

scowl, on 17 February 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

To sum up everything at this point.

We have piezoelectric power being generated by a material which is not piezoelectric being vibrated by continuous earth movement to a precise frequency which has never been detected by any seismograph and electricity transmitted not through physical conductors but through some invisible method which there is no evidence of, to generate electricity for no apparent reason.

No wait! We have nuclear energy being generated by unrefined uranium more pure than any uranium ever found on our planet which leaves no trace of decayed radioactive elements generated by nuclear reactions, and with no apparent means to convert this heat energy into anything useful. The best theory is that Martians used the pyramid as a breeder reactor to create plutonium to transport back to Mars. It also has the ability to turn granite brown when no known physical process can do this.

We also have a straight scorch mark which must have been created by an electric arc because it is straight unlike any electric arc anyone has seen.

And we have cracks in a large piece of granite which must have been caused by an explosion because granite cannot crack under its own weight because no piece of granite ever quarried has had internal flaws.

hehe... good summary!

so erm.... back to Puma Punku?

[seeder]

TheSearcher, on 16 February 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

If you had read them, you'd have to admit that it is rather strange that there would be plaster in the cracks,

I'm quite surprised he didn't say it was alien plaster

[scowl]

seeder, on 17 February 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

hehe... good summary!

I think we need a summary like this every once in a while because whenever zoser is trapped in a corner by his incomplete theories, he quickly jumps into another corner.

Like when he said he was scared to experiment with granite because of radiation. What? Then he sent us to a page that said pyramids were nuclear reactors. What? Does zoser think the piezoelectric effect is a nuclear reaction? Of course not. That's just his way of dropping a theory when it's been completely debunked and throwing yet another theory at us to waste our time with.