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#106    Beckys_Mom

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 05:21 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 28 January 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

I like you but you can be exhausting.

I am one who will ask so many questions, and I like to see what answers I get.. I learn a lot.and I admit, it does help..That may be exhausting for some people like yourself ( as you just noted ) but it means I am trying to take great interest in them and what they have to say...I am doing something that Obama ( by the sounds of it ) doesn't do.. Listen, answer, ask and act on  lol........  

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I have plenty of reading and comprehension skills.
I am talking about reading exactly what I am saying, and understanding what I am putting out there.. Like the hypothetical made up scenario.. You have to admit, you did say you are too much of a realist to do that.. If you understood straight away what I was meaning and trying to do, you would have said so first time round.. You may have said - I am a realist but I understand that the scenario you insert  is just made up.. so my answer would be...... and so on ..But at first,( when you first tackled me )  that is not what happened..   I think it is more to do with wires being crossed..

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  I feel like what you're asking for is a homework assignment.   
Well it wasn't that bad, because you did in the end answer it easy enough ..The answer you gave was the kind of thing I was expecting from joc...

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   That's fine and I did butt into yours and Jocs conversation.
You have a right to butt in at any time.. Its an open forum...  It does make it harder for me, but I do not have a problem with you or anyone butting in.. You do after all  put up so many intelligent posts ..If you were a bit of a plonker, I would ignore your butting in  .. But you are not a plonker, so butt in any time you like ... :P

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   I run a business and its consuming and I actually have to get back to business for a while.

Same as myself.. But lately I have been used to answer phones all day every day...So I take some time to the computer ...Until 6pm then I have more to do at home.. Thats when the kids come back..and its all go go go again..Although usually I have my little one at home with me.. When he naps I get time to myself

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:08 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 28 January 2013 - 05:21 PM, said:

I am one who will ask so many questions, and I like to see what answers I get.. I learn a lot.and I admit, it does help..That may be exhausting for some people like yourself ( as you just noted ) but it means I am trying to take great interest in them and what they have to say...I am doing something that Obama ( by the sounds of it ) doesn't do.. Listen, answer, ask and act on  lol........  
Not a problem.



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I am talking about reading exactly what I am saying, and understanding what I am putting out there.. Like the hypothetical made up scenario.. You have to admit, you did say you are too much of a realist to do that.. If you understood straight away what I was meaning and trying to do, you would have said so first time round.. You may have said - I am a realist but I understand that the scenario you insert  is just made up.. so my answer would be...... and so on ..But at first,( when you first tackled me )  that is not what happened..   I think it is more to do with wires being crossed..

You're right. I could do it but it does cross my wires to the point that I won't if I don't really have to.


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Well it wasn't that bad, because you did in the end answer it easy enough ..The answer you gave was the kind of thing I was expecting from joc...


You have a right to butt in at any time.. Its an open forum...  It does make it harder for me, but I do not have a problem with you or anyone butting in.. You do after all  put up so many intelligent posts ..If you were a bit of a plonker, I would ignore your butting in  .. But you are not a plonker, so butt in any time you like ... :P
I will add plonker to my vocabulary.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:43 AM

View PostUncle Sam, on 28 January 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

You always been a thorn in the side of people. I see you throughout multiple threads ruining your reputation, becoming labeled a liar and a person who is living in a bubble. Can't say anyone is trying to tear you down, you are tearing yourself down before everyone, without them even have to bring in any facts.

Yep I love to poke conservatives and Republicans. I didn't know I had a "reputation", or label a liar - where was that? Your last statement applies to you more than me. I usually always include facts and sources.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:48 AM

Some things are just unspoken yet well known. Similar to an elephant in the room. You don't need to say anything for everyone to know there's an elephant. Welcome to the room Babar.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:58 AM

I thought it was a Pinocchio. The more drivel and lies he told his nose would grow longer. Or is that in a different thread.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:02 AM

Yea, that was QM schooling me on Pinochet in a different thread.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:16 AM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 28 January 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

Instead of screaming.. Tell me from the post below  what part of - This is an example  actually escaped you?   take an another look ..



I have now laid the emphasis on the fact it was just a hypothetical example made up.. It was not in any way trying to state something that can be done...  Surely by now you should know that when someone makes up an example it should be treated as hypothetical ?   You are not the president and that is not a real situation for you, again I must stress it was just made up.... The task was to see how you would deal with things IF you made a promise ( in the hypothetical sense )  of your own as the president.. All I get is you screaming like a mad person over something that is just a made up example.. Screamed at for petes sake?  .. Next time you wish to challenge me, cut the screaming nonsense out and try and understand simple - Examples can be hypothetical..And it was clear my example was made up as hypothetical ........ As for making a big mistake. looks to me like you went to do just that by ignoring the fact it was a made up example..  

From seeing how you lack greatly on what is hypothetical and you scream at me like it is true...  I see no point in addressing anything more you have to say, because clearly you just don't get it..   Anyone else who did understand it was hypothetical  would say - Well If I where the president and I  made such a promise I would have to  blah blah .. ..
No, I didn't miss the example...I think you missed my humor and sarcasm with the screaming thing though...my bad!
It doesn't really matter whether it is an example or not...the premise is all wrong...that is what I was addressing.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:46 PM

View Postjoc, on 29 January 2013 - 05:16 AM, said:

It doesn't really matter whether it is an example or not...the premise is all wrong...that is what I was addressing.

Yes it does matter, it matters a lot.. When something is put forward ashypothetical and made up, not basing on reality as it pushes away from reality, that's the idea, as I already know what the reality was ( and it doesn't need to be based on reality either)  then it should be understood as such...

If I were to say - Hypothetically, pretend the government hasn't got the money to do this and that ...... That would be a tad pointless calling it hypothetical, because that wouldn't be hypothetical it would be reality.  What I put to you was not reality and not meant to be.. If you do not like it, and can't challenge it, then don't touch it.... it's as simple as that..

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Perfect for you.. Keep it..

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:01 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 29 January 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

Yes it does matter, it matters a lot.. When something is put forward as hypothetical and made up, not basing on reality, ( and it doesn't need to be based on reality either)  then it should be understood as such..If you do not like it, and can't challenge it, then don't touch it.... it's as simple as that..


Perfect for you.. Keep it..
But....and....hypotheticals are based on truth.   Without Truth as an ingredient the hypothetical is non-sensical...I'm not saying yours was, it wasn't...that's my point...it was based on Truth...but...what I was really commenting on was not the hypothetical as much as I was a certain 'premise' that I don't accept.  And that premise is that Government owns all money.  Now, you didn't say that...you didn't even mention that...and I never entered into this discussion to argue with you about anything...I really am trying to 'educate' you as to what is really going on in this country.
And when I was 'screaming' Beckys_Mom, I wasn't 'screaming' at you....;)...I was screaming as making a point about my frustration with the whole idea that we have to 'pay for' tax-cuts.   It's my money.  I shouldn't have to pay anyone to keep it.
The nut-shell of the problem here (in America) is that we have elected people we trusted to do the right thing and they have sold us down a river for their own profit.  There isn't a way to fix it because now the Government is in the position of writing Laws for themselves and writing Laws for Us...the 'little' people in 'fly over' country.
But...
If I were President.  I would have a Meeting with the People  from the Oval Office.  I would hold in front of the cameras a Veto Pen and say...No new taxes...Don't just read my lips...read my Veto Pen!   And I would tell Congress that before I would sign another Law that it would be free of Pork, lower taxes on all Americans across the board...and...freeze spending levels on ALL entitlements for a period of 2 years.  That would be part of the budget, and if they didn't want to play hard ball with me.  I would let the Government shut down and let the chips fall where they bloody well please...and that is Exactly what I would tell them.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:27 PM

View Postjoc, on 29 January 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

But....and....hypotheticals are based on truth.  
Not always, many are made up not based on reality at all.. Like  if you were rich and always have been, and I put it to you - Hypothetical lets say you were not rich and you had to do such and such.. Then that is not basing it on the reality of your life as you know it, it is trying to get you to look at something different.. .....  Not all hypothetical scenarios  must be based on reality.as you see it.. Many are put out as make believe on things that do not exist..

It would be pointless to say -  Hypothetically, lets say you are the president and you haven't the money to do this and that..  The reason why that is pointless, is because the reality is true there is no money..The only pretend part of that is you are not really the president..

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  And when I was 'screaming' Beckys_Mom, I wasn't 'screaming' at you.... ;)...I was screaming as making a point about my frustration with the whole idea that we have to 'pay for' tax-cuts.
But the reality of how things are was not what I was trying to put out... As for the screaming.. I pictured you sitting in front of me doing that and how weird it would look  lol..   Forget the screaming, the point is.. the situation was not meant to be real, it was just made up as hypothetical, nothing more..   The idea was to imagine a different situation ( unlike the current one that is reality )  and imagine you making a promise, what would you do about it..?

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  The nut-shell of the problem here (in America) is that we have elected people we trusted to do the right thing and they have sold us down a river for their own profit
If I heard that about any government, it would not surprise me the slightest..

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   If I were President.  I would have a Meeting with the People  from the Oval Office.  I would hold in front of the cameras a Veto Pen and say...No new taxes...Don't just read my lips...read my Veto Pen!   And I would tell Congress that before I would sign another Law that it would be free of Pork, lower taxes on all Americans across the board...and...freeze spending levels on ALL entitlements for a period of 2 years.  That would be part of the budget, and if they didn't want to play hard ball with me.  I would let the Government shut down and let the chips fall where they bloody well please...and that is Exactly what I would tell them.

OK, but what is - be free of pork.?. And, what do you mean by freeze spending levels on all enlistments for a period of two years ? ..I am just curious of what that means..

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

Hey Becky's Mom. Pork is basically a personal bonus to passing a bill, it is used to entice our government to pass the bill. Let's say I have this spare amount of money and I really wanted this bill passed, I add this spare amount of money towards things that the government wants to improve the odds the bill will be passed. President Obama has used this tactic many times over, he is basically bloating our spending to pass bills that are very unpopular. We are being sold out by our politicians for personal bonuses on bills, which basically tells me the government has no moral compass at the moment.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:44 PM

Many of our politicians do this. If you put X in the Bill for my constituents (usually big industry in there homestates) Ill sign the Bill.

Then we the taxpayers get to pay for it.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:16 PM

View PostUncle Sam, on 29 January 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

Hey Becky's Mom. Pork is basically a personal bonus to passing a bill, it is used to entice our government to pass the bill. Let's say I have this spare amount of money and I really wanted this bill passed, I add this spare amount of money towards things that the government wants to improve the odds the bill will be passed. President Obama has used this tactic many times over, he is basically bloating our spending to pass bills that are very unpopular. We are being sold out by our politicians for personal bonuses on bills, which basically tells me the government has no moral compass at the moment.

Right, so that's what it means.. Thank you.. I had asked this in another thread too, and saw no answer, but thankfully you have it cleared up ..

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:40 PM

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OK, but what is - be free of pork.?. And, what do you mean by freeze spending levels on all enlistments for a period of two years ? ..I am just curious of what that means..

What Congressman do typically is add 'pork' to every bill.  Let's say the Bill is:  No one under 25 can buy liquor.   As a Senator I will add a little sumpin', sumpin' to the end of the bill.  It will now read:  No one under 25 can buy liquor.  $875,000 will be appropriated for bridge and canal work in Bohunk, My State.    So, the people living in Bohunk, My State will think I'm great because I, 'brought home the bacon'....hence the word...'pork'.   So, I would have all bills be Pork Free...no added spending for this Senator's state, etc.

What I said was....'freeze spending levels on ALL entitlements for a period of 2 years.'   An 'entitlement'  is something that people feel 'entitled' to have.  Like, I worked and payed Unemployment Tax...I am entitled to draw unemployment.  Entitlements in this country is basically anything you get from the government...housing, welfare checks, food stamps, social security, unemployment, disability, etc.
What the Democrats do is try to increase the size of the entitlement by...let's say, 8%.  The Republicans will say, That is outrageous we don't have the money...but we will compromise and raise it 4% across the board.  Then the Democrats go all over the Media on all the Sunday shows telling the people how the Republicans want to CUT entitlements.  So, I would freeze all increases in entitlements.  Let's say you get $300 a month in government assistance.  I would freeze it at that level for 2 years.  You wouldn't get less than $300 but you wouldn't get more either.   That's the only way to really have a budget and keep things real.  But...no one is ever going to keep anything 'real' in Washington.

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