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[TheMacGuffin]

booNyzarC, on 19 October 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that you think they knew?

No, they KNEW.

[booNyzarC]

TheMacGuffin, on 19 October 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

No, they KNEW.

If that was all it took, we'd all know wouldn't we?  Just make a declaration as though it is fact.  Offer nothing to support it.  Write it in ALL CAPS to emphasize it with authority.

I wish I could say that this is convincing, but it isn't.  Having said that, I think I'm inclined to retain my original interpretation as being more accurate.

Thanks.  

[TheMacGuffin]

booNyzarC, on 19 October 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

If that was all it took, we'd all know wouldn't we?  Just make a declaration as though it is fact.  Offer nothing to support it.  Write it in ALL CAPS to emphasize it with authority.

I wish I could say that this is convincing, but it isn't.  Having said that, I think I'm inclined to retain my original interpretation as being more accurate.

Thanks.  

You'd say the exact same thing regardless of what I said, but you must by now that realize I do know about these things.  So did they.



Oberth headed the UFO investigation in West Germany for example, and stated in 1954:

"There is no doubt in my mind that these objects (UFO's) are interplanetary craft of some sort. I am confident that they do not originate in our solar system, but they may use Mars or some other body for a way station. It is also our conclusion that they are propelled by distorting or converting the gravitational field."


How did he know that?  That's the more important question, Boon, since all of them knew that the ETs were here.  You won't find one of those big-time German scientists who did not know it.  

http://www.nationalu...article_440.php

Edited by TheMacGuffin, 19 October 2012 - 09:07 PM.

[booNyzarC]

TheMacGuffin, on 19 October 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

You'd say the exact same thing regardless of what I said, but you must by now that realize I do know about these things.  

No, I don't realize yet that you 'know' about these things.  You say that you do often enough, but declarations are insufficient.

And no, I wouldn't say the exact same thing regardless of what you said.  I wouldn't have said anything at all if you had characterized it more accurately.  Did you ever meet any of these men?  Have any of these men provided anything substantial to conclude that they actually knew that some UFOs were extraterrestrial in origin?  Not that I've seen.  Not even in what you've quoted here in this post.

TheMacGuffin, on 19 October 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

So did they.



Oberth headed the UFO investigation in West Germany for example, and stated in 1954:

"There is no doubt in my mind that these objects (UFO's) are interplanetary craft of some sort. I am confident that they do not originate in our solar system, but they may use Mars or some other body for a way station. It is also our conclusion that they are propelled by distorting or converting the gravitational field."


How did he know that?  That's the more important question, Boon, since all of them knew that the ETs were here.  You won't find one of those big-time German scientists who did not know it.  

http://www.nationalu...article_440.php

I'm going to assume that you read the entire article that you referenced.  As such, you must have read this part:

There was a world-wide effort to learn how gravity could be put to use as a form of energy. He added that he expected men would be traveling to the moon in electrically driven devices within five to ten years." Because our galaxy is teeming with planets it should be home to countless extraterrestrial civilizations. That is unless, through some perverse twist in nature, intelligent life is an evolutionary dead-end. But let's be optimistic and assume that some fraction of far-flung worlds rise to the status of a hosting a super-civilization,"

Now you tell me.  Does that suggest that he actually knows?  Or does it rather suggest that he strongly and optimistically believes that it is likely?  I say his statement suggests the latter conclusion.

In addition, the portion that you actually quoted is not as definitive as you'd like it to be.  Saying that there is no doubt in his mind does not mean that he knows, it means that he believes it to be true with an extremely high level of confidence.

[TheMacGuffin]

booNyzarC, on 19 October 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

No, I don't realize yet that you 'know' about these things.  You say that you do often enough, but declarations are insufficient.


And no, I wouldn't say the exact same thing regardless of what you said.  I wouldn't have said anything at all if you had characterized it more accurately.  Did you ever meet any of these men?  Have any of these men provided anything substantial to conclude that they actually knew that some UFOs were extraterrestrial in origin?  Not that I've seen.  Not even in what you've quoted here in this post.

I'm going to assume that you read the entire article that you referenced.  As such, you must have read this part:


In addition, the portion that you actually quoted is not as definitive as you'd like it to be.  Saying that there is no doubt in his mind does not mean that he knows, it means that he believes it to be true with an extremely high level of confidence.

Boon, for whatever reason, you are one of the hardest of the hard core "skeptics", and nothing I have ever posted makes the slightest dent in that.

I don't know what would.  You tell me.

Edited by TheMacGuffin, 19 October 2012 - 10:24 PM.

[badeskov]

TheMacGuffin, on 19 October 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Boon, for whatever reason, you are one of the hardest of the hard core "skeptics", and nothing I have ever posted makes the slightest dent in that.

I don't know what would.  You tell me.

Real, tangible evidence, I would suggest.

Cheers,
Badeskov

[booNyzarC]

TheMacGuffin, on 19 October 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Boon, for whatever reason, you are one of the hardest of the hard core "skeptics", and nothing I have ever posted makes the slightest dent in that.

I don't know what would.  You tell me.

Badeskov has answered this for me.  (Thank you for that Bade )

That's precisely what it will take to convince me of just about anything.  Real, tangible evidence.

[TheMacGuffin]

badeskov, on 19 October 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

Real, tangible evidence, I would suggest.

Why don't you tell them what you know?

booNyzarC, on 19 October 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

Badeskov has answered this for me.  (Thank you for that Bade )

That's precisely what it will take to convince me of just about anything.  Real, tangible evidence.

What do you want?  A dead alien?

[TheMacGuffin]

I mean it, Badeskov, since you claim to be a big expert on satellites and all that.  You know as well as I do that they have detected UFOs, but you never say anything about that.

[badeskov]

booNyzarC, on 19 October 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

Badeskov has answered this for me.  (Thank you for that Bade )

That's precisely what it will take to convince me of just about anything.  Real, tangible evidence.

You are most welcome, Boony

Cheers,
Badeskov

[badeskov]

TheMacGuffin, on 19 October 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:

I mean it, Badeskov, since you claim to be a big expert on satellites and all that.  You know as well as I do that they have detected UFOs, but you never say anything about that.

Sure they detect UFOs, lots of stuff flitting around in space. But so far I have not seen any indications of any of them being of ET origin.

And what exactly is it that you think that I know?

Cheers,
Badeskov

Edited by badeskov, 19 October 2012 - 10:46 PM.

[TheMacGuffin]

badeskov, on 19 October 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

And what exactly is it that you think that I know?

A lot more than you're ever going to let on.

[TheMacGuffin]

badeskov, on 19 October 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

You are most welcome, Boony

You're both most welcome, I'm sure.  LOL

[booNyzarC]

TheMacGuffin, on 19 October 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

What do you want?  A dead alien?

As convincing as that would be, I'd prefer a live one.  No need to start some kind of interstellar conflict after all.  Assuming the live alien was peaceful, of course.

An alien object of some kind would go a long way as well.  A ship.  A piece of a ship.  A device of some kind.  A communication which can be verified as being extraterrestrial, picked up by SETI for example.  An alien toaster?  Neil deGrasse Tyson's requested ash tray?  Significant eye witness testimony backed up by credible video footage and/or photographs?  There are lots of things which could be convincing.

Do you have any of that in your bag of tricks?

[Dr. Mirdad]

Growing up I never believed in ufos or aliens. Then I had my first encounter with a UFO, it was similar to a blue plasma ball. It was about 50-75 feet above me. I heard it first, then i looked up and seen it there, in time for me to tell my friends look up and see it, it shot off with a unimaginable speed. Thats the first experience and wouldnt be the last.