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Venezuela's Hugo Chavez dies aged 58


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:11 AM

The world lost a Marxist.  It's a good day!


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:22 AM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 05 March 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

I know that many will disagree, but I feel this is a true shame. He was a great man for his people, regardless of opinions, and I am actually slightly in shock by this.

au contraire, i FULLY AGREE....! And furthermore, a lot of the "bad stuff" spread about him will turn out to be spread propaganda. My wife's family is from Chile, and also there, people see him in a completely different way then we do in the US or europe. There really goes an outstanding politician.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 10:02 AM

Venezuela have declared 7 days of mourning after his death..

I wonder if we would do the same for our beloved leader Mr Cameron?

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:08 PM

Good riddance.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:53 PM

Not really surprising, given all the health problems he was having it was just a matter of time. As a leader seems like he was a mixed bag. Yes he did some good stuff but at the same time he also did some fairly nasty stuff too. Not as evil as some claim but hardly the white knight that others hold him up as. Personally I think it was his opposition to the US that really divided opinion. There are those who condemn him largely because he went out of his way to attack the US and there are also those who praise him largely because he went out of his way to attack the US.

Hopefully the country can have a peaceful election and smooth transition and focus on building up Venezuela and helping its people.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:33 PM

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:34 PM

View PostOverSword, on 05 March 2013 - 11:32 PM, said:

If by that you mean the rich get richer and the poor die younger, you are correct.
No, I mean that maybe now Venezuelans will get a chance to advance and create wealth for themselves instead of for a dictator:

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Analyst estimates Chávez’s family fortune at around $2 billion


Criminal Justice International Associates (CJIA), a risk assessment and global analysis firm in Miami, estimated in a recent report that the Chávez Frías family in Venezuela has “amassed a fortune” similar to that of the Castro brothers in Cuba.
According to Jerry Brewer, president of CJIA, “the personal fortune of the Castro brothers has been estimated at a combined value of around $2 billion.”
“The Chávez Frías family in Venezuela has amassed a fortune of a similar scale since the arrival of Chávez to the presidency in 1999,” said Brewer in an analysis published in their website.
Brewer said that Cuba is receiving about $5 billion per year from the Venezuelan treasury and in oil shipments and other resources.
“We believe that organized bolivarian criminal groups within the Chávez administration have subtracted around $100 billion out of the nearly $1 trillion in oil income made by PDVSA since 1999.”

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:48 PM

Somewhere Sean Penn is crying.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:51 PM

View PostIamsSon, on 06 March 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

No, I mean that maybe now Venezuelans will get a chance to advance and create wealth for themselves instead of for a dictator:

i serously doubt it.what is combined wealth of our politicians??? i bet a lot higher than 2b chavez had.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:03 PM

View Postaztek, on 06 March 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

i serously doubt it.what is combined wealth of our politicians??? i bet a lot higher than 2b chavez had.
What a ridiculous way to try to justify the actions of a dictator.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:06 PM

View PostIamsSon, on 06 March 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

No, I mean that maybe now Venezuelans will get a chance to advance and create wealth for themselves instead of for a dictator:

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Really top notch source there. :tu:

Even if he and his family are super rich, it still doesn't take away from the fact that he was elected 3 times, overthrew an actual dictator, and helped the poor and impoverished of his country more than any other leader of any other country that I know of. A leader who cared about the 99%.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:20 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 06 March 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

Really top notch source there. :tu:

Even if he and his family are super rich, it still doesn't take away from the fact that he was elected 3 times, overthrew an actual dictator, and helped the poor and impoverished of his country more than any other leader of any other country that I know of. A leader who cared about the 99%.
Interesting that.  There are STILL countless incredibly poor people in Venezuela, in fact there are more poor people now than before he took over, but somehow he made $2 billion.  If he REALLY had helped the poor, then he should have died a pauper while the poor of Venezuela got those $2 billion.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:40 PM

View PostOverSword, on 05 March 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:

years ago I read a post on some consiracy web-site that in the late 50's and early 60's the CIA was doing research in which they had developed a way to give assaination targets a very aggressive form of cancer.  I googled the phrase cia aggressive cancer and this is one of the stories that came up.

http://beforeitsnews...er-2445074.html

If memory serves the cancer was developed with Castro in mind but he was always too wary of a target.
You're not too far off there.

http://latino.foxnew...z-was-poisoned/

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:03 PM

View PostClyde the Glyde, on 06 March 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

Somewhere Sean Penn is crying.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:05 PM

View PostIamsSon, on 06 March 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

No, I mean that maybe now Venezuelans will get a chance to advance and create wealth for themselves instead of for a dictator:

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But if you want to read how Venezuela was before Chavez may I suggest you read confessions of an economic hitman http://www.amazon.co...economic hitman





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