zoser, on 10 November 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:
A bird has wings. There were no bugs around that day that we noticed. It's the temperate northern hemisphere not the sub-tropics.
Insects are an important and abundant part of most ecosystems in temperate regions. This is true year round, but they are more active and prevalent in the warmer seasons. From your photographs we can tell that it was a beautiful day, the sun was out, you were in an area near the ocean with a lot of fields, farmhouses with livestock. Whether you noticed any bugs or not, I guarantee you that there were a lot there.
zoser, on 10 November 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:
Just let me put in few more little points in response to my critics:
For a start more damage has been done to put and an end to threads in the way of rubbishing the OP with cynicism, ridicule or school boy banter than I could ever manage to do by uploading a few pictures with black objects on them.
Those people know who they are; it doesn't need me to point out what is plainly obvious.
If a thread takes on a slightly different turn with other material that needs investigating, then so be it. I won't be put off by cynics shouting out 'bugs' for one minute. That may well satisfy them but it will never satisfy me.
Pointing out that footage and/or photographs look like insects is not cynicism, it is merely the observation of identifiable traits which are characteristic of how insects appear in such media. Whether you recognize the similarities or not does nothing to remove those similarities. I suggest that you actively seek out footage which has flying insects in it for your own comparative analysis. I've provided a couple, but you can literally find this kind of thing in many outdoor videos and pictures. Bugs are everywhere, we just ignore them most of the time unless they become a personal nuisance or are swarming en masse.
zoser, on 10 November 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:
Just because there isn't an object in the picture that looks like the size of the Enterprise does not make the object any less interesting from a UFO point of view. If anyone has the wit to look at the trends in ufology over the last 10 years I would have thought they would have realised that objects that are being seen are smaller in size these days.
I'm sure with a bit of personal adding up that one could have reached that conclusion; but that's for them. The object in the Denver video is one such good example.
The other thing that is blatantly obvious is that as soon as a case presents itself for which there is no explanation one of two things happen: The skeptics refrain from posting altogether, as though affected by some mass walk out, or they post ridiculing graphics or similar cynical remarks.
I stand against that.
I value anyone who presents interesting and original cases, easily explainable or otherwise, because we all learn.
We know that you are passionate about this subject zoser, and I both admire and respect that intense interest. You may not realize it, but we of a more skeptical bent are just as interested in the UFO phenomena as you are. It is a fascinating topic and covers a wide range of subjects.
You mark yourself as a 'warrior of truth' and have on multiple occasions communicated to the forum that you essentially consider yourself to be on a crusade of sorts to champion witnesses. A true warrior of truth would not be afraid to acknowledge the possibility of prosaic explanations. A true warrior of truth must be open to any possibility, and must not jump prematurely to any conclusions. A true warrior of truth applies critical scrutiny to every claim, whether the claim is supernatural, extraterrestrial, or prosaic, and realizes that "we can't be sure" means literally that we cannot arbitrarily ascribe our preferred answer to the question.
At best, these UFO cases result in "we can't be sure" though many of them can be explained with a very high level of confidence; like these photographs and videos which look exactly like insects for example. Even if we reduce, in our own minds, the weight of explanations like this, we still arrive only at "we can't be sure."
zoser, on 10 November 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:
So the challenge is still there I'm afraid; no the Denver object is not a bug, neither is the anomaly on the Sark photos and to try and dismiss the case as easily as that is not doing justice to the OP or indeed the subject.
So in my adding up there are at last two cases that stand proud as unexplained smoking gun type evidence:
The Denver Case and the Denbigh case in Wales of Jan 2012 (see TT thread).
No matter how many times you, some self proclaimed aviation expert, newscasters, or any one else declares "it is not a bug" will not ever change the fact that the footage in question looks exactly like insects. Nor will it change the fact that your Sark photos look exactly like insects. Tiny little blurry out of focus insects. A true warrior of truth would recognize this and at least admit that it is possible, even if you weren't as confident about the conclusion as I am.
zoser, on 10 November 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:
This forum really is starting to get interesting.
Be back in a few hours.
z
See you when you get back zoser.
Cheers.
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