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#181    GoSC

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:32 AM

View Postkeninsc, on 11 January 2013 - 01:01 AM, said:

Right, but what I'm saying it you can take an Abrams tank in with you, it's impractical as heck, over powered, expensive and all that but you can go to that extreme if you'd like. For me, I'd only need my .45 and then for the actual kill of a Bigfoot, or for those cases when my .45 might not be enough I have my pump action shotgun. One is a rapid deployment weapon, my sidearm, and the second will take just a moment to get out. Now, if I should discover that with all this I'm in a situation this amount of equipment can't get me out of then I was a real dumba$$ for getting myself into this situation to begin with. At some point we all have to recognize that we have to take responsibility for what we do, good or bad.

Fair, I am just saying personally I wouldn't be 100% confident that a 45 acp is a reliable boar-buster or bear-buster. One could end up nothing more with an enraged animal and a funeral for their troubles. Shot placement is paramount, mental acuity, and speed are essential which your training and combat experience probably provided. But a 45 acp is better than nothing at all.

First defense - bear spray. Second defense - shotgun or magnum pistol.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:35 AM

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One could end up nothing more with an enraged animal and a funeral for their troubles

I got news for you, in the end that all anyone winds up with.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:01 AM

View Postkeninsc, on 11 January 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

I got news for you, in the end that all anyone winds up with.

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Well aint that the truth, but there is no sense in speeding it up with an enraged apex predator :w00t:

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:06 AM

Yeah, but the apex preditor fails to realize that I'm not trapped there with him, he's trapped there with me.
If I'm armed, he's mine, keep in mind that a well placed shot from a .22 LR will bring down a grizzly. Hell, if you got the stones for it, then goad the crtitter into charging then side step him as he's about to grab you and cut his throat.

So with that, I'll stick to my choices.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:16 AM

View Postkeninsc, on 11 January 2013 - 07:06 AM, said:

Yeah, but the apex preditor fails to realize that I'm not trapped there with him, he's trapped there with me.
If I'm armed, he's mine, keep in mind that a well placed shot from a .22 LR will bring down a grizzly. Hell, if you got the stones for it, then goad the crtitter into charging then side step him as he's about to grab you and cut his throat.

So with that, I'll stick to my choices.

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Let's just say I am a bad loser when it comes to my sole existance and desire to guarantee I win and I walk away from that kind of fight with the least amount of injury... stack the odds in my favour.  ;)

But the first thing I would reach for is the mighty can of bear spray.




Edited by Ambush Bug, 11 January 2013 - 07:23 AM.

"I charge thee in the sight of God, who giveth life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed the good confession; that thou keep the commandment, without spot, without reproach, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: which in its own times he shall show, WHO IS THE BLESSED AND ONLY POTENTE, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS; who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen" (I Tim 6:13-16).

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:26 AM



"I charge thee in the sight of God, who giveth life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed the good confession; that thou keep the commandment, without spot, without reproach, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: which in its own times he shall show, WHO IS THE BLESSED AND ONLY POTENTE, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS; who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen" (I Tim 6:13-16).

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:56 AM

Don't get me wrong, pepper spray is a good deterant, however it's got a shelf life and the canisters can leak down without warning over time.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:58 AM

View PostAmbush Bug, on 11 January 2013 - 07:16 AM, said:

:lol:

Let's just say I am a bad loser when it comes to my sole existance and desire to guarantee I win and I walk away from that kind of fight with the least amount of injury... stack the odds in my favour.  ;)

But the first thing I would reach for is the mighty can of bear spray.


Very effective!  Just make sure you can access it and point it and use it in a couple seconds flat.
Carry more than one.
Practicing could save your life and help it to happen like an instant reflex.
Just carrying it doesn't guarantee you won't freak. And using it quickly and correctly is the only way to protect yourself with it.
No one is used to being charged by grizzlies and who knows how close an encounter might be if you surprise each other.
Confidence and reflex in using what you got for protection is more important than what you got for protection.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 11 January 2013 - 08:10 AM.

Keep your eyes wide open and don't run!

P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:12 AM

View Postdanbell06, on 10 January 2013 - 09:57 PM, said:

Is that you Sakari? Very impressive. The only thing ive ever killed is a spider about an inch in diameter.


I have however killed a musk ox, a bison and numerous foxes on Cabelas alaskan adventures for the xbox.
I highly doubt that counts though.

What does it feel like to kill a beast like that?


No, not me.....I would never kill a bear or Lion.....My arrows were into Elk, and Deer. Had a chance to go to Catalina for a depravation boar hunt, but chickened out :)

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:13 AM

View PostAmbush Bug, on 11 January 2013 - 03:32 AM, said:

First defense - bear spray. Second defense - shotgun or magnum pistol.

Good choices, mi nus a pistol. Hitting anything with a pistol is hard enough, now add movement, and being scared.....Not much of a chance. A shotgun, point and shoot, big spread, more then likely a hit.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:33 AM

View Postkeninsc, on 11 January 2013 - 07:56 AM, said:

Don't get me wrong, pepper spray is a good deterant, however it's got a shelf life and the canisters can leak down without warning over time.

But the word is IT WORKS! Where pistols never guarantee a one shot kill especially due to high stress situations and shot placement are paramount... when charged by a mad sow bear protecting her cub or a startled bear, merely grazing the beast or hitting it with a non-fatal shot... will likely make the situation worse further enraging the beast... offering mere micro seconds to seconds to get that critical fatal shot meanwhile the beast running on adrenalin and brimstone.

View PostQuiteContrary, on 11 January 2013 - 07:58 AM, said:

Very effective!  Just make sure you can access it and point it and use it in a couple seconds flat.
Carry more than one.
Practicing could save your life and help it to happen like an instant reflex.
Just carrying it doesn't guarantee you won't freak. And using it quickly and correctly is the only way to protect yourself with it.
No one is used to being charged by grizzlies and who knows how close an encounter might be if you surprise each other.
Confidence and reflex in using what you got for protection is more important than what you got for protection.

Honestly, I would pinch bricks if I got charged by bear. I would like to  think I wouldn't freeze that self-preservation would overcome terror. And blast that bear with a cloud of aerosol pepper spray in its eyes, nose, and down its throat. That in my opinion is preferable than trying to kill it and possibly failing to.

View PostSakari, on 12 January 2013 - 01:13 AM, said:

Good choices, mi nus a pistol. Hitting anything with a pistol is hard enough, now add movement, and being scared.....Not much of a chance. A shotgun, point and shoot, big spread, more then likely a hit.

The thing is with .00 buck it requires a relatively close target to maintain a close spread and penetration, slugs would probably be a better choice much greater penetration with much greater range. A magnum pistol offers the power and penetration required too though. It just may require training in accuracy, mental acuity, and speed is all.

With that all said and done, I don't even live bear country. I just have alot of respect for bears.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

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But the word is IT WORKS! Where pistols never guarantee a one shot kill especially due to high stress situations and shot placement are paramount... when charged by a mad sow bear protecting her cub or a startled bear, merely grazing the beast or hitting it with a non-fatal shot... will likely make the situation worse further enraging the beast... offering mere micro seconds to seconds to get that critical fatal shot meanwhile the beast running on adrenalin and brimstone.

I highly recommend you do some research on pepper spray and bear attacks. You stick with whatever you wish and I'll stick with mine. I pray you never fall victim the myth of pepper spray.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:49 PM

View PostAmbush Bug, on 12 January 2013 - 02:33 AM, said:

But the word is IT WORKS! Where pistols never guarantee a one shot kill especially due to high stress situations and shot placement are paramount... when charged by a mad sow bear protecting her cub or a startled bear, merely grazing the beast or hitting it with a non-fatal shot... will likely make the situation worse further enraging the beast... offering mere micro seconds to seconds to get that critical fatal shot meanwhile the beast running on adrenalin and brimstone.



Honestly, I would pinch bricks if I got charged by bear. I would like to  think I wouldn't freeze that self-preservation would overcome terror. And blast that bear with a cloud of aerosol pepper spray in its eyes, nose, and down its throat. That in my opinion is preferable than trying to kill it and possibly failing to.



The thing is with .00 buck it requires a relatively close target to maintain a close spread and penetration, slugs would probably be a better choice much greater penetration with much greater range. A magnum pistol offers the power and penetration required too though. It just may require training in accuracy, mental acuity, and speed is all.

With that all said and done, I don't even live bear country. I just have alot of respect for bears.



A Bear charging you is coming head first. A lot of shot should hit the nose and face area. It would not take much, along with the loud bang.


I do have a friend whom's father is a hunting guide in Alaska. My friend had been sitting outside of the tent, and thought a vulture was eating the Moose they had hung.It ended up being a Grizzly. He ran back to his tent, not much time to spare, grabbed his .357 magnum, and emptied it at the charging bear. It fell about 12 feet in front of him. What Bill did not know at first, his Grandpa heard the ruccus, and emptied to 12 gauge shotgun shells at it also.

I did not believe him, until I saw the pictures, and heard it from all present. Luckily, one member of the party had a bear tag.

Wish I had pics to share, he is now 500 miles away, and do not hear from him much.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:44 PM

View Postkeninsc, on 12 January 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

I highly recommend you do some research on pepper spray and bear attacks. You stick with whatever you wish and I'll stick with mine. I pray you never fall victim the myth of pepper spray.

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Is bear spray effective?

If you're able to hit the bear in the face, you're in business. Most likely the bear will make an instant, confused retreat. It won't knock a bear out, but it will definitely make it forget it wants to eat you. Capsaicin has the same effect on bears that it does on humans. They'll feel an instant burning sensation wherever you hit them, so just like humans, it's best to get them in the face. The eyes, nose and lungs will all burn like fire, causing the mucous membrane tissues to swell.

A face hit almost guarantees temporary blindness and big-time breathing problems. But the good news is that the sting will eventually subside and by that time, either you or the bear are long gone. You have all your limbs in tact, and the bear suffers no permanent damage. The same can't be said about bullets.

What can be said for bullets? They don't always thwart an attack. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service investigated human and bear encounters from 1992 to 2005 and found that people who defended themselves with firearms were injured about 50 percent of the time by the bear. People who used the bear spray escaped injury 98 percent of the time, and the few injuries they suffered were far less severe than those in the gun-toting realm. Why? Because it's difficult to stop a bear with a gun and wounded bears are more likely to become even more aggressive.

Another study was performed by Thomas Smith, a bear biologist from Brigham Young University. After analyzing 20 years of bear incidents, he found that bear spray was effective 92 percent of the time, compared to 67 percent for guns. Add to this that you can't bring guns into many national parks, and it seems like the spray is the best way to go.

Research has shown that it takes an average of four direct hits with a bullet to stop a bear [source: Science Daily]. Do you feel like you're a good enough shot to pull this off when a 600-pound (272-kg) grizzly is coming at you at 35 miles per hour (56 kph)? Accuracy isn't nearly as important with bear spray since you're shooting a wide cloud of smoke at your threat. Wind may be an issue, but the Wildlife Service study found that it only affected the shot 7 percent of the time and in each case, the spray still reached the bear. If you happen to shoot yourself or a friend as well, the effect of the bear spray will be the same as human pepper spray and will wear off after a few hours of discomfort.


Don't spray me, bro!

One problem that law officers have faced lately is incidents of humans using bear spray on other humans -- and not in self-defense. Perhaps it's because of the likelihood of a direct hit, or the distance at which it can be fired. Maybe it has something to do with the way of life in rural areas -- people are more likely to have bear spray in their glove compartment. There were three incidences on record in August 2008 in the Canadian province of Saskatchewan alone. In one case, a teenager was jumped by a gang of toughs, beaten and hit with a shot of bear spray only inches from his face, which swelled to twice its normal size as a result. Another incident involved a random, unprovoked attack on the streets and yet another pitted two women against each other in a nightclub. "Oh Canada," indeed.

Read the whole 4 page article here: http://adventure.how...bear-spray2.htm

Edited by Ambush Bug, 12 January 2013 - 07:46 PM.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:00 AM

http://www.backpacke...facts/gear/1224

There's what "Backpacker" magazine thought about it.

Personally, if you're not able to properly use/employ a firearm then my causal guess would be that you'll not be able to use pepper spray properly. I could be wrong and I hope I am.





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