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[Ra_Sun-God]

Ra_Sun-God, on 11 September 2009 - 12:21 PM, said:

Did NASA and/or the Russian space scientists ever mentioned that they used technology taken from the crashed UFO? The Roswell Incident have nothing to do with the US and/or Russian spaceprogram. Did I ever mentioned that the US and/or Russian spaceprogram used ET technology? Never!! I think you misunderstood something there Psyche101 if you think I ever mentioned it.

I have tried to edit so it look like the above, but I was denied access for editting.

[Ra_Sun-God]

psyche101, on 11 September 2009 - 07:34 AM, said:

Despite people claiming Roswell is responsible for all out modern gadgets, we can see that is not the case, each and every item in such category has a long paper trail behind it. There was no leg up, no new tech from this advanced craft we supposedly captured.

Can you please point out what people claiming Roswell is responsible for ALL out modern gadgets?

So far so good the only one who use it is the U.S. Air Force of today using "Exotic" material to their secret "Air crafts" (US military are testing these secret "Air crafts") almost similar to memory metal from the crashed Roswell ET spacecraft. Not only US Air Force use it, but also in other US Military areas.

http://www.roswellpr...9_nanotech.html

http://www.ufos-alie...hingmetals.html

Edited by Ra_Sun-God, 11 September 2009 - 01:58 PM.

[badeskov]

Ra_Sun-God, on 11 September 2009 - 01:39 PM, said:

Can you please point out what people claiming Roswell is responsible for ALL out modern gadgets?

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Can you please point me to a single gadget that has been derived from Roswell. And, no, memory metal is not it as I have already shown you that the study of what was later called Nitinol was started some 9 years before Roswell.

Just one piece of technology, please. The following has already been ruled out based on their research history:

* Memory metal
* The computer chip
* Optical fibers
* The laser

Anything else?

Cheers,
Badeskov

[skyeagle409]

badeskov, on 11 September 2009 - 03:42 PM, said:

Can you please point me to a single gadget that has been derived from Roswell. And, no, memory metal is not it as I have already shown you that the study of what was later called Nitinol was started some 9 years before Roswell.

Just one piece of technology, please. The following has already been ruled out based on their research history:

* Memory metal
* The computer chip
* Optical fibers
* The laser

Anything else?

Yes, I want to hit upon  memory metal  because it possess the properties the Roswell witnesses were describing long before they knew anything about memory metal. There could be more to that story because not only were the Roswell witnesses describing such properies, the folks at Wright-Patterson AFB, where exotic research and hardware are produced, were noting that the Roswell debris exihibited exotic properties as well.

[skyeagle409]

Ra_Sun-God, on 11 September 2009 - 01:39 PM, said:

Can you please point out what people claiming Roswell is responsible for ALL out modern gadgets?

So far so good the only one who use it is the U.S. Air Force of today using "Exotic" material to their secret "Air crafts" (US military are testing these secret "Air crafts") almost similar to memory metal from the crashed Roswell ET spacecraft. Not only US Air Force use it, but also in other US Military areas.

http://www.roswellpr...9_nanotech.html

http://www.ufos-alie...hingmetals.html

Rubber metal and thin, foil-like materia that we now know as memory metal, which is what the Roswell witnesses were describing.

Just about anyone would have been able to identify ordinary tin foil, but the material the Roswell witnesses were describing, was noty tin foil at all, but a material whose properties mimics memory metal.

When Brazel's daughter, Bessie, was shown photos taken in Ramey's office, she stated that was NOT the material they found, which underlines the statements made my Marcel and Dubose, two of the folks who  posed with the debris in Ramey's office, that the material they posed with, was not what was recovered on the Foster rance and in fact, the material they posed with was placed they as a means to concoct a cover up and in 1994, the Air Force admitted that no weather balloon was responsible after all, which once again, underlines the statements of a cover-up in regards to those photos.

Edited by skyeagle409, 11 September 2009 - 08:12 PM.

[Ra_Sun-God]

badeskov, on 11 September 2009 - 03:42 PM, said:

Can you please point me to a single gadget that has been derived from Roswell.

Just one piece of technology, please. The following has already been ruled out based on their research history:

* Memory metal
* The computer chip
* Optical fibers
* The laser

Anything else?

Cheers,
Badeskov

As I have pointed out to you the scientists first began slowly to develope memory metal at the time after the Roswell Incident, as it is proven that the official story of the human made memory metal that return back to it's original shape (after being deformed) is false.

And today you can see the result:

http://www.ufos-alie...hingmetals.html

And even if the human made memory metal that return back to it's shape after being deformed was developed in the 1930'ies (unlikely), then I very doubt that someone spread it out on Foster Ranch. And I'm sure Skyeagle will agree on that. And it was definitely not tin foil from a weather balloon either that was spread out on Foster Ranch. Beside, the Air Force admittet the weather Balloon Cover Up attempt.

Whatever the US Air Force did developed almost similar material to the crashed ET spacecraft's material on purpose or not on purpose can maybe be discussed. But it is for sure that the US Air Force use almost similar material as the material from the crashed ET spacecraft.

And just to confirm that the human made memory metal that return back to it's shape was first developed in the 1960:

http://americaninvet...mory-metal.html

Memory metal The invention: Known as nitinol, a metal alloy that returns to its original shape, after being deformed, when it is heated to the proper temperature. The person behind the invention: William Buehler (1923- ), an American metallurgist The Alloy with a Memory In 1960,William Buehler developed an alloy that consisted of 53 to 57 percent nickel (by weight) and the balance titanium. This alloy, which is called nitinol, turned out to have remarkable properties. Nitinol is a “memory metal,” which means that, given the proper conditions, objects made of nitinol can be restored to their original shapes even after they have been radically deformed.

Edited by Ra_Sun-God, 11 September 2009 - 10:08 PM.

[Ra_Sun-God]

skyeagle409, on 11 September 2009 - 08:09 PM, said:

Rubber metal and thin, foil-like materia that we now know as memory metal, which is what the Roswell witnesses were describing.

Just about anyone would have been able to identify ordinary tin foil, but the material the Roswell witnesses were describing, was noty tin foil at all, but a material whose properties mimics memory metal.

When Brazel's daughter, Bessie, was shown photos taken in Ramey's office, she stated that was NOT the material they found, which underlines the statements made my Marcel and Dubose, two of the folks who  posed with the debris in Ramey's office, that the material they posed with, was not what was recovered on the Foster rance and in fact, the material they posed with was placed they as a means to concoct a cover up and in 1994, the Air Force admitted that no weather balloon was responsible after all, which once again, underlines the statements of a cover-up in regards to those photos.

You have no idea how much I feel with Marcel and the other witnesses. In my opinion the Government should give these persons a proper apology and money for the damages they were exposed for.

[badeskov]

Ra_Sun-God, on 11 September 2009 - 09:23 PM, said:

As I have pointed out to you the scientists first began slowly to develope memory metal at the time after the Roswell Incident, as it is proven that the official story of the human made memory metal that return back to it's original shape (after being deformed) is false.

I don't know how to make this any clearer, actually. The effort on making memory shape alloys was started in 1932 and on Nitinol in 1938. Period. There is nothing more to it. The exact composition that is now called Nitinol was a result from research made in the 1960s, but the fact remains that that study was started in 1938, 9 years before Roswell.

Care to comment on that?

Cheers,
Badeskov

[Ra_Sun-God]

badeskov, on 12 September 2009 - 12:35 PM, said:

I don't know how to make this any clearer, actually. The effort on making memory shape alloys was started in 1932 and on Nitinol in 1938. Period. There is nothing more to it. The exact composition that is now called Nitinol was a result from research made in the 1960s, but the fact remains that that study was started in 1938, 9 years before Roswell.

Care to comment on that?

Cheers,
Badeskov

http://en.wikipedia....y_metal#History

History
The first reported steps towards the discovery of the shape memory effect were taken in the 1930s. According to Otsuka and Wayman (1998), A. Ölander discovered the pseudoelastic behavior of the Au-Cd alloy in 1932. Greninger & Mooradian (1938) observed the formation and disappearance of a martensitic phase by decreasing and increasing the temperature of a Cu-Zn alloy. The basic phenomenon of the memory effect governed by the thermoelastic behavior of the martensite phase was widely reported a decade later by Kurdjumov & Khandros (1949) and also by Chang & Read (1951).

The nickel-titanium alloys were first developed in 1962–1963 by the Naval Ordnance Laboratory and commercialized under the trade name Nitinol (an acronym for Nickel Titanium Naval Ordnance Laboratories). Their remarkable properties were discovered by accident. A sample that was bent out of shape many times was presented at a laboratory management meeting. One of the associate technical directors, Dr. David S. Muzzey, decided to see what would happen if the sample was subjected to heat and held his pipe lighter underneath it. To everyone's amazement the sample stretched back to its original shape.[2][3]

There is another type of S.M.A., called a ferromagnetic shape memory alloy (FSMA), that changes shape under strong magnetic fields. These materials are of particular interest as the magnetic response tends to be faster and more efficient than temperature-induced responses.

Metal alloys are not the only thermally-responsive materials; shape memory polymers have also been developed, and became commercially available in the late 1990s.

As you can see, Nitinol were first discovered in 1963 by Dr. David S. Muzzey. The first reported steps towards the discovery of the shape memory effect were taken in the 1930s. But Wikipedia does not mention about that the effort to make Nitinol was actually started in 1938 at all.

http://americaninvet...mory-metal.html

Memory metal The invention: Known as nitinol, a metal alloy that returns to its original shape, after being deformed, when it is heated to the proper temperature. The person behind the invention: William Buehler (1923- ), an American metallurgist The Alloy with a Memory In 1960, William Buehler developed an alloy that consisted of 53 to 57 percent nickel (by weight) and the balance titanium. This alloy, which is called nitinol, turned out to have remarkable properties. Nitinol is a “memory metal,” which means that, given the proper conditions, objects made of nitinol can be restored to their original shapes even after they have been radically deformed.

But In 1960 (13 years after the Roswell Incident), William Buehler developed same memory metal that return back to it's original shape, and that is 3 years before Dr. David S. Muzzey discovered that.

Edited by Ra_Sun-God, 12 September 2009 - 02:04 PM.

[skyeagle409]

Ra_Sun-God, on 11 September 2009 - 10:21 PM, said:

You have no idea how much I feel with Marcel and the other witnesses. In my opinion the Government should give these persons a proper apology and money for the damages they were exposed for.

I understand where are you coming from and Moore and Shandera did a lot of damage to Marcel as well because skeptics attributed certain statements to Marcel that he never made, but were placed in Marcel's mouth by those two individuals and the skeptics thought that Marcel said this, and Marcel said that, when in fact, he never said any such thing, so Moore and Shandera did a lot of damage to Marcel's reputation.

[Ra_Sun-God]

skyeagle409, on 12 September 2009 - 02:26 PM, said:

I understand where are you coming from and Moore and Shandera did a lot of damage to Marcel as well because skeptics attributed certain statements to Marcel that he never made, but were placed in Marcel's mouth by those two individuals and the skeptics thought that Marcel said this, and Marcel said that, when in fact, he never said any such thing, so Moore and Shandera did a lot of damage to Marcel's reputation.

I agree. Moore and Shandera did a lot of damage to Marcel's reputation. In my opinion there should be a law that convict people like for example Moore and Shandera for that kind of crime.

[psyche101]

Ra_Sun-God, on 11 September 2009 - 01:18 PM, said:

http://www.dailymoti...es-extraterrest

Will you please read the link again? I think you did not read it properly. That skeptic group tried to debunk Meier's UFO photos, but is finally convinced the photos are real enough.

As you can see, even this video documentary shows that the photographs of the UFO's as Billy Meyer took are real enough. The skeptics had tried to debunk them, but finally found out they are not hoax.
And it is just the matter of time there will be less (there are at least one former skeptic by now regarding Roswell UFO crash) and more less skeptics left regarding the Roswell Incident too......  

You want me to read a clip?

Do you hear yourself?

Real enough?

How real is real enough? I think you better look at the link again as well and tell me how it is WWIII keeps changing dates? NEXT YEAR FOR SURE, oops, no, NEXT YEAR FOR SURE!!!

Are you rabbiting on about the incredible footage? The Farmhouse film has been debunked my friend, it is a model on a moveable pendulum, creating this arc

Quote

*Shame no piccys allowed from that site.*

In the following figure I have combined several of the previous frames to illustrate the
nature of the motion of the UO.  All the images except the far right hand image lie on or close
to the arc segment of a circle (the white line).  (The failure of the rightmost image to lie on
the arc might be a result of a slight motion toward the right of the suspension point, IF this
were pendulum motion.)  Note that the tilt of the UO image also matches quite well the tilt
angle of the arc wherever the arc is coincident with the UO image.  Notice, in particular, the
explanation below the picture of the way the arc was constructed and its implications for how
the movie was obtained.

LINK.

Enjoy the read.

Edited by psyche101, 14 September 2009 - 07:17 AM.

[psyche101]

Ra_Sun-God, on 12 September 2009 - 01:48 PM, said:

http://en.wikipedia....y_metal#History

History
The first reported steps towards the discovery of the shape memory effect were taken in the 1930s. According to Otsuka and Wayman (1998), A. Ölander discovered the pseudoelastic behavior of the Au-Cd alloy in 1932. Greninger & Mooradian (1938) observed the formation and disappearance of a martensitic phase by decreasing and increasing the temperature of a Cu-Zn alloy. The basic phenomenon of the memory effect governed by the thermoelastic behavior of the martensite phase was widely reported a decade later by Kurdjumov & Khandros (1949) and also by Chang & Read (1951).

The nickel-titanium alloys were first developed in 1962–1963 by the Naval Ordnance Laboratory and commercialized under the trade name Nitinol (an acronym for Nickel Titanium Naval Ordnance Laboratories). Their remarkable properties were discovered by accident. A sample that was bent out of shape many times was presented at a laboratory management meeting. One of the associate technical directors, Dr. David S. Muzzey, decided to see what would happen if the sample was subjected to heat and held his pipe lighter underneath it. To everyone's amazement the sample stretched back to its original shape.[2][3]

There is another type of S.M.A., called a ferromagnetic shape memory alloy (FSMA), that changes shape under strong magnetic fields. These materials are of particular interest as the magnetic response tends to be faster and more efficient than temperature-induced responses.

Metal alloys are not the only thermally-responsive materials; shape memory polymers have also been developed, and became commercially available in the late 1990s.

As you can see, Nitinol were first discovered in 1963 by Dr. David S. Muzzey. The first reported steps towards the discovery of the shape memory effect were taken in the 1930s. But Wikipedia does not mention about that the effort to make Nitinol was actually started in 1938 at all.

http://americaninvet...mory-metal.html

Memory metal The invention: Known as nitinol, a metal alloy that returns to its original shape, after being deformed, when it is heated to the proper temperature. The person behind the invention: William Buehler (1923- ), an American metallurgist The Alloy with a Memory In 1960, William Buehler developed an alloy that consisted of 53 to 57 percent nickel (by weight) and the balance titanium. This alloy, which is called nitinol, turned out to have remarkable properties. Nitinol is a “memory metal,” which means that, given the proper conditions, objects made of nitinol can be restored to their original shapes even after they have been radically deformed.

But In 1960 (13 years after the Roswell Incident), William Buehler developed same memory metal that return back to it's original shape, and that is 3 years before Dr. David S. Muzzey discovered that.

The following line is one from your own post. Go back and read the first line.


The first reported steps towards the discovery of the shape memory effect were taken in the 1930s

[psyche101]

Ra_Sun-God, on 11 September 2009 - 01:39 PM, said:

Can you please point out what people claiming Roswell is responsible for ALL out modern gadgets?

So far so good the only one who use it is the U.S. Air Force of today using "Exotic" material to their secret "Air crafts" (US military are testing these secret "Air crafts") almost similar to memory metal from the crashed Roswell ET spacecraft. Not only US Air Force use it, but also in other US Military areas.

http://www.roswellpr...9_nanotech.html

http://www.ufos-alie...hingmetals.html

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Just have a look in the mirror.

What do you think those links are claiming?

Point out the people? Do a Google and save me typing hundred of lines would ya Many people claim we received tech from Roswell. All it generated was headaches and fat media paychecks.

[psyche101]

Ra_Sun-God, on 11 September 2009 - 12:21 PM, said:

Did NASA and/or the Russian space scientists ever mentioned that they used technology taken from the crashed UFO? The Roswell Incident have nothing to do with the US and/or Russian spaceprogram. I don't know where you have that idea from. Did I ever mentioned that the US and/or Russian spaceprogram used ET technology? NEVER!!

Either you are trying to mislead the debate, or you misunderstood something there Psyche101......

So, should the ridiculous scenario of a crashed ET craft be the true version of events,, you think nobody has received any advances from this. It is just hanging on someone's wall somewhere?

What do you think we would do with a crashed ET craft? As it allegedly travels space, it should be quite beneficial to our space program, would you not agree? As it must have traversed the speed of light, we would want to know something about that, you know, surpassing our highest knowledge and all, wouldn't we?