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#1    zoser

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 11:19 AM

Unidentified object causes panic, but is there a rational explanation?

http://www.rt.com/ne...fo-missile-337/

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 11:31 AM

Just at a glance it looked like a meteorite disintegrating.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:00 PM

Well this exact same thing happened in Norway and they said it was a missle gone wrong, so most likely that is what this is.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:01 PM

Looks like a (failed) ballistic missile launch.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:01 PM

It's just them testing the missiles they will use on Iran....... :whistle:

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:37 PM

From my private advisory message:

4. First -- disregard EVERYTHING the experts are saying about the 'spiral'
being caused by a failed rocket tumbling out of control.

5. The 'spiral' does NOT look to me to be a sign of a "failed missile test" -- it has
been a common visual feature of Russian missile launches for more than thirty years
and seems associated with a roll maneuver to 'dump' unwanted surplus thrust for
short-range test flights. Since you can't shut down a solid fuel rocket early,
you need to find a way to 'dump' thrust so you don't overshoot a target.

6. One way is to open portals on the sides of the rocket as it burns --
sending much of the thrust out to the sides. Two opposite facing portals
are usually installed, to counterbalance the thrust and not knock it off course.

7. A careful analysis of the infamous 'Norway spiral' several years ago shows
TWIN plumes emerging from the central object, in opposite directions.

8. An alternate method is just to pitch the rocket off 'straight ahead' and
then corkscrew, so as to spray some of the thrust off to the sides and
keep your speed down to what you really need.

9. Otherwise you'll overshoot your intended target.


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 01:06 PM

View PostJimOberg, on 08 June 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

From my private advisory message:

4. First -- disregard EVERYTHING the experts are saying about the 'spiral'
being caused by a failed rocket tumbling out of control.

5. The 'spiral' does NOT look to me to be a sign of a "failed missile test" -- it has
been a common visual feature of Russian missile launches for more than thirty years
and seems associated with a roll maneuver to 'dump' unwanted surplus thrust for
short-range test flights. Since you can't shut down a solid fuel rocket early,
you need to find a way to 'dump' thrust so you don't overshoot a target.

6. One way is to open portals on the sides of the rocket as it burns --
sending much of the thrust out to the sides. Two opposite facing portals
are usually installed, to counterbalance the thrust and not knock it off course.

7. A careful analysis of the infamous 'Norway spiral' several years ago shows
TWIN plumes emerging from the central object, in opposite directions.

8. An alternate method is just to pitch the rocket off 'straight ahead' and
then corkscrew, so as to spray some of the thrust off to the sides and
keep your speed down to what you really need.

9. Otherwise you'll overshoot your intended target.

So what in your opinion where the Russians doing?

Could it be they where using a spylane? (which unloaded the unwanted surplus)

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 01:53 PM

it was just a test:

http://cosmiclog.msn...ssile-test?lite


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:01 PM

oh dear.


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:07 PM

Thanks for posting, Jim.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:19 PM

View PostHazzard, on 08 June 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

Thanks for posting, Jim.

I'm always interested in other interpretations -- good quality debates hereabouts...

In Soviet days, these launches weren't announced. Ever. Even after.

So you've got to wonder, in years past, how many similar sightings
in the Middle East and elsewhere were made of similar 'light shows' --
but they went without explanation.

They would have been 'UFOs'. Maybe?

But US military intelligence would have KNOWN such reports could have
been connected with top secret Soviet missile tests. They would want to collect
all such reports. Military attaches in countries bordering the USSR would have been
tasked to collect and forward all such reports for analysis regarding the insights
they could provide about the missile tests themselves.

So the DoD's interest in "UFO reports" would have NOTHING to do with
'true UFOs' -- but with what the real cause of the 'UFO repoerts' were,
Soviet missile tests like this one. But they wouldn't have wanted the
Soviets to realize how much such reports were helping analysts.

That explains a lot. This event helps underscore that connection.


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:24 PM

View PostJimOberg, on 08 June 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

I'm always interested in other interpretations -- good quality debates hereabouts...

In Soviet days, these launches weren't announced. Ever. Even after.

So you've got to wonder, in years past, how many similar sightings
in the Middle East and elsewhere were made of similar 'light shows' --
but they went without explanation.

They would have been 'UFOs'. Maybe?

But US military intelligence would have KNOWN such reports could have
been connected with top secret Soviet missile tests. They would want to collect
all such reports. Military attaches in countries bordering the USSR would have been
tasked to collect and forward all such reports for analysis regarding the insights
they could provide about the missile tests themselves.

So the DoD's interest in "UFO reports" would have NOTHING to do with
'true UFOs' -- but with what the real cause of the 'UFO repoerts' were,
Soviet missile tests like this one. But they wouldn't have wanted the
Soviets to realize how much such reports were helping analysts.

That explains a lot. This event helps underscore that connection.

So if I understand you correctly the Russians were testing a missile over Israeli or Middle East air space?  Is that normal?

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:41 PM

Great posts, mr. Oberg. :yes:


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:31 PM

Thats just a bad missle launch...ofcourse theres no reports of operations by any military... because none of those countries want media attention to their daily street wars....but then again.. supposivly the ufos get more commom when its closer to our end times...


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 04:16 PM

View Postzoser, on 08 June 2012 - 02:24 PM, said:

So if I understand you correctly the Russians were testing a missile over Israeli or Middle East air space?  Is that normal?

You're trying too hard to NOT understand. People in the Middle East saw a Russian missile flying hundreds of miles above Kazakhstan. They just misjudged its distance. This happens all the time with UFO reports, you know. This is an example that can teach us about that.

We know the apparition was NE of observers in the Middle East, because even observers in the Caucasus saw it in the northeastern sky -- NOT south of them over the Middle East.





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