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#4801    quillius

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:21 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 07 August 2013 - 11:20 PM, said:

It wasn't a "weather balloon", it was a portion of a Mogul balloon which was highly secret at the time.  It was designed to detect Soviet atomic weapon tests.  That's why initially the military told the press it was a "flying saucer".  They thought it would just blow over, but when it received widespread publicity, they reversed and said it was a weather balloon.
Roswell was a dead story until Stanton Friedman drummed it up to sell his books.
Forget Roswell.  It's a lame story.  It's perpetuated because it sells books and it draws tourists to a town that otherwise would be broke.

Hello Synch, I must say I really cant buy this bit.....the military announces ET and thought 'this story will blow over in a few days' huh??? I know people think they are incompetent etc etc but you would have to be a complete idiot to think a story like ET confirmed by military would blow over....quick whats plan B...ummmm lets say a balloon.

that really makes no sense for me what so ever.


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Posted 09 August 2013 - 06:24 AM

View Postquillius, on 08 August 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Hello Synch, I must say I really cant buy this bit.....the military announces ET and thought 'this story will blow over in a few days' huh??? I know people think they are incompetent etc etc but you would have to be a complete idiot to think a story like ET confirmed by military would blow over....quick whats plan B...ummmm lets say a balloon.

that really makes no sense for me what so ever.
that's exactly what I've said. It seems a very strange choice of cover story, to effectively say "there are unknown craft flying about over the united States, and we can do nothing about it". Particularly if they were so concerned about the Reds and any secret weapons they may have had, that would surely be the last thing that would reassure the People.

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 07:57 AM

View Postzoser, on 06 June 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

The shear number being reported at the moment tells me that you may not have long to wait.  Here's hoping!

PS Regarding dear Jesse; wouldn't you have thought that she would have at least waved to see if they waved back? :alien:

What sheer number? Any religion produces impressive sheer numbers of people who claim to have experienced superstitious nonsense. If you make it a "sheer numbers" game, the Ufologists are actually a minor player.

Fact is, none all of this religious, UFO, or conspiracy pap passes the bar of rational scrutiny.

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 01:30 PM

View PostZaphod222, on 09 August 2013 - 07:57 AM, said:

Fact is, none all of this religious, UFO, or conspiracy pap passes the bar of rational scrutiny.


And automatic skepticism does?  Every occurred to you that you are part of an even more fanatical religion?

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 11:36 PM

Im sure it has, and the religion is Science.

It's great, sometimes we can admit to being wrong about things initially.

Other times we have pizza parties.

Best religion/cult ive been a part of so far

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 09:34 PM

View Postzoser, on 10 August 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

And automatic skepticism does?  

Of course automatic skepticism makes sense. Everybody should question claims, especially extraordinary claims. Would you not question your adviser at the bank if he claimed you would get a 10-20% profit with no risk associated if you purchased certain stocks? Of course you would!

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Every occurred to you that you are part of an even more fanatical religion?

The religion of rational and critical thinking instead of gullibly believing everything?

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 02:06 PM

View Postzoser, on 10 August 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

And automatic skepticism does?  Every occurred to you that you are part of an even more fanatical religion?
Good point. Although I wouldn't call it automatic skepticism.  Seeking proof is science.  Believing blindly is far more foolish.
We would still be living in caves if not for brave inventors and scientists challenging the quest for knowledge and believing there's a better way to build a mousetrap.
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Posted 22 August 2013 - 12:20 PM

I have been pre-occupied just lately with the link between missing people and UFO's.  For anyone interested in the subject of missing people under mysterious circumstances I recommend looking at the work of David Paulides.

Any way have a look at this.  There are no gruesome pictures to see, rather the up-loader shows you some pages of a book on a Kindle device.  It's only short and easy to read.

It concerns the attempted abduction of a guy named Hermalindo da Silva in Brazil 1976.



This is not the first time I have heard this.  A member of the US army was said to have been grabbed by wires from a UFO.  I'm trying to find the case now.

Edited by zoser, 22 August 2013 - 12:44 PM.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 12:44 PM

The similar case was Sgt Jonathon P Lovette and the incident took place in White Sands NM in 1956

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Source change because first URL contained link to graphic videos.

http://www.bibliotec...e_bluebook1.htm

Edited by zoser, 22 August 2013 - 12:49 PM.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 04:26 PM

View Postzoser, on 22 August 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

The similar case was Sgt Jonathon P Lovette and the incident took place in White Sands NM in 1956

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Source change because first URL contained link to graphic videos.

http://www.bibliotec...e_bluebook1.htm
Can you possibly quote something other than "bibliotec" which is a self-professed tabloid source?
Really Zoser, you have been around the forum long enough to realize BS when is glares in your face.
Most of us have been at this game much longer than you.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 04:37 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 22 August 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:


Can you possibly quote something other than "bibliotec" which is a self-professed tabloid source?
Really Zoser, you have been around the forum long enough to realize BS when is glares in your face.
Most of us have been at this game much longer than you.

Type Sgt. Jonathon P Lovette into Google and you will find quite a few sources.

If you don't like mine find another.

It's really very simple.

Regarding the skepticism: prove to me that both cases are invention.

Regarding the claim of self virtue.  Please prove that too.

After all you are a scientific type right?

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 04:48 PM

View Postzoser, on 22 August 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

Type Sgt. Jonathon P Lovette into Google and you will find quite a few sources.

If you don't like mine find another.

It's really very simple.

Regarding the skepticism: prove to me that both cases are invention.

Regarding the claim of self virtue.  Please prove that too.

After all you are a scientific type right?
You have science ass backwards.  YOU demonstate ANY reasonable proof to your claim, and I will buy in.
You're off again trying to prove a negative.  Just because some psychotic makes a claim, does not make it true.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:59 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 22 August 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

You have science ass backwards.  YOU demonstate ANY reasonable proof to your claim, and I will buy in.
You're off again trying to prove a negative.  Just because some psychotic makes a claim, does not make it true.

Allow me to correct you on a couple of things.

First, the idea that anyone posting an alleged true story constitutes proof should be ridiculous to even a child.  So I'm not going to give you credit for that.  

What I am trying to do is assemble a collection of similar cases to see if there are corresponding facts.

Secondly please don't think for a minute that I'm ever going to accept your claim of academic virtue over me where this subject is concerned.  I neither recognise or accept it.  If you would take that on board it would be good for you.  You feel that you are standing on a pillar of rock, yet I feel it is a mound of sand.  I feel that quite strongly.

I know this because I don't believe that you study cases very well or study similar cases to make comparisons.  I think you are doing nothing more than expressing opinion which is not very helpful.

Better that we spend time not bickering but studying the subject.  I hope you agree.

I have presented two cases that have some corresponding details.  Regarding the Sgt Lovette case there are two more famous cases.  Do you know of them?  Do you know who the chief investigators in this field are?  Have you listened to them?

To be able to discuss the phenomena with me you would need to.  

I suggest have a look into them first and let's talk again.

Edited by zoser, 22 August 2013 - 06:15 PM.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:57 PM

View Postzoser, on 25 July 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

Far too general an assumption.  Totally invalid.  Typical skeptic's approach: ignore the witnesses and let's substitute our own version.  Totally unscientific.



Not only did it change direction in mid air something acted like a break to slow it's descent.  Did you hear the witnesses describe this?  Please go back and listen to them.  What else can change direction during a descent?  I await your explanation.



Not sufficient.  The case facts themselves say otherwise.  That's what you have to go back to.  Not what you think is the case.



Agreed.  However the authorities always move in to sanitize the case.  They remove evidence, threaten witnesses and lay misinformation.  This all needs to be taken into account.



Roswell has never been debunked.  Even the military announced they had recovered a UFO on the initial press release.  Why would they get it wrong?

without proof...it's just a story. I agree that where there are a lot of eye witness reports...something had to happen...but what happened is more about someone's conjecture or opinion without proof. You get a lot of he said/she said or he saw/she saw stories.


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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:25 PM

Steve Pierce one of Travis Walton's work colleagues present on the night of the abduction gives his last testimony.  He has been offered money on more than one occasion in exchange for denouncing the event but he has always declined in favour of maintaining the truth.



Steve Pierce: Witness to the Travis Walton alien abduction incident

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