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A roundabout coming to a road near you?


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#1    MoorWalks

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:33 PM

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The rising popularity of cycling in the capital has led safety experts to reveal their plans to make the roads safer.

Ideas currently being mooted at Transport for London’s research centre include roundabouts which prioritise cyclists over motorists, traffic lights fixed at the height of cyclists, and sensors fitted to the so-called ‘Boris bikes’ to help avoid collision with HGVs.

Many of the ideas are borrowed from schemes in place in Europe, and the £2 million TfL project aims to remove accident trouble spots.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:41 PM

agenda 21 ftw!

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:35 PM

I think its about time cyclist started paying road tax and insurance. Most are nothing but a hazard to us paying motorist who only follow the rules of the road when it suits them . Ignoring red lights, flitting from road to pavement to jump red lights etc. Should have to pass a practical and theory test as well to be sure they are as safe as possible and not creating the problems on the roads like they do.
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Posted 01 May 2013 - 05:21 PM

View Postjohnny blue eyes, on 30 April 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

I think its about time cyclist started paying road tax and insurance. Most are nothing but a hazard to us paying motorist who only follow the rules of the road when it suits them . Ignoring red lights, flitting from road to pavement to jump red lights etc. Should have to pass a practical and theory test as well to be sure they are as safe as possible and not creating the problems on the roads like they do.
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i agree they should be paying road tax and insurance. plus having to pass a practical and theory test.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:16 PM

Cylists and pedestrians do not contribute to pollution and they will not incur the higher costs of health problems as those who are vehicle-dependant.

If we are to tax cyclists for road maintenance and the like then we need to up the tax on motorists for the environmental and public health toll they incur on our society. Someone has to pay for those things in the end too...


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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:36 PM

If you use the road, you need to help pay for it's maintance. It's a common courtesy IMO. After all, they'd be complaining if there are potholes etc in the road.


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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:41 PM

Most Cities in U.K now have bicycle lanes on every road in the inner city,but cyclists prefer to ride on the white broken line in the middle of the road,trying to imitate Bradley Wiggins.I used to cycle myself,but not like some of these professional Idiots,and a lot of them wear dark gear with no lights on their bikes at night.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:56 PM

The cost of road maintenance is payed for mainly by other taxes.  

Vehicle Excise Duty (designed to nudge people towards low emission cars) on its own isn't enough to pay for the upkeep of the roads.  So cyclists do pay for said upkeep.

If you were to make cyclists pay VED, they'd end up paying 0, as bicycles don't created emissions.

I do believe in cyclists taking theoretical and practical tests though, I did when I was at primary school.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:13 AM

And Jeremy clarkson for Prime Minister! He'd ban cycling and make petrol free and abolish speed limits and abolish taxes!!

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:27 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 02 May 2013 - 10:13 AM, said:

boy oh boy, mention of the word "cyclists" is one of those words that really sets off the Clarksonian response, isn't it. (It's like a pavlovian response, only it involves a lot of spluttering about 'poor old motorists' being 'hammered for tax', while simultaneously, and this is the part they never mention, causing misery through noise and pollution for everyone in towns that were never designed to have tens of thousands of Cars pounding through them all day.)

I don't have too much of a problem with cyclists out here in the Badlands, but I do get annoyed greatly by their 'off-road' cousins - The RAMBLERS!!!! Cagoul-clad numpties lacking the brains to be train-spotters who consider themselves above and beyond byelaws and the Countryside Code, and firmly believe that the whole of the landmass of Britain is theirs by right to trample over at will (including - in one memorable case - my back garden).

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:42 AM

Lord I hate traffic circles (what you call roundabouts)...  The worst I ever had to endure was in Stuttgart, Germany  three very large radius traffic circles that interlinked....  I never knew where I was....


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:48 AM

Studies show that roundabout increase safety and save lives. So glad our policy makers do not ignore science.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:55 AM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 02 May 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

Studies show that roundabout increase safety and save lives. So glad our policy makers do not ignore science.
Agreed they are as annoying as all heck but they do give everyone a fair go.  I my part of suburbia just about every crossroads starts with a round about, when new estates get built and therefore congestion becomes a problem, they replace them with lights but all in all, they make good sense at "lesser travelled intersections".

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 01:40 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 02 May 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

Studies show that roundabout increase safety and save lives. So glad our policy makers do not ignore science.

And raises blood pressure ! Try Gravelly Hill Interchange, Birmingham UK - known locally as Spaghetti Junction....

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:18 PM

View PostWalter White, on 01 May 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

The cost of road maintenance is payed for mainly by other taxes.  

Vehicle Excise Duty (designed to nudge people towards low emission cars) on its own isn't enough to pay for the upkeep of the roads.  So cyclists do pay for said upkeep.

If you were to make cyclists pay VED, they'd end up paying £0, as bicycles don't created emissions.

I do believe in cyclists taking theoretical and practical tests though, I did when I was at primary school.

Thanks for pointing this out, its amazing how many are ignorant to this.

Its easy to knock cyclists, there are plenty of them who do not have a clue what they are doing (and the number is increasing), just as many motorists seem to be oblivious to the rules of the road too. A car driven recklessly is a lot more dangerous than a bicycle being ridden recklessly and education is the key to safety as mentioned.

Really, some of you sound like fat cat business tycoons oblivious to the world of the normal man while you cruise around in your luxurious oversized cars. I cycle and own two cars, I have the right to use the road regardless of my choice of transport.

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