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Posted 16 April 2013 - 04:12 AM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 16 April 2013 - 02:20 AM, said:

I feel dirty now ? :alien:


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 08:33 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

Egg Geometry Calculation Using the Measurements of Length and Breadth LINK


I reckon it is a cigar.

"A little over 8 foot" is hard to reconcile as 30 feet. Until the next day when the figure is firmed up, but then contradicts the drawing and description.

the calculations are for an Egg and therefore it cannot have the scope of variance that an 'oval' shape would have.

Charlie also describes it as oblong to be fair on the first interview.

and no he says a 'little longer than that'....the transcript can easily have that first figure of 8ft typed incorrectly, especially when they quote a witness without knowing the surname, yet the rest of the world knows it.

I will post you some audio clips that you will find interesting....

juts to confirm to date we have only ever heard Charlie say 30ft  :yes:


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 08:34 AM

download this Zip file from this site..

http://archive.org/d...ctionAudioFiles

39: Pascagoula, MS Sheriff Department interview of Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker on

10.11.1973. 38:30

40: Charles Hickson is interviewed by Dr. James Harder. 16:45

41: Chuck Burgess, Pascagoula, MS newspaper reporter is interviewed by Kevin Doyle on radio,

10.12.1973, regarding Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker. 11:00

42: Pascagoula, MS Sheriff, Fred Diamond comments on the Hickson / Parker abduction investigation

12.12.1973. 00:45

43: Fred Diamond, Sheriff of Pascagoula, MS, is interviewed on the radio, 12.12.1973. 07:45

44: Pascagoula, MS radio news report of 10.16.1973. 01:30

45: Charles Hickson interviewed and comments by Dr. J. Allen Hynek in October, 1974. 19:30

46: Calvin Parker hypnosis audio clip from 1974. 11:15

47: Charles Hickson statement on UFOs, Extraterrestrials and his abduction in 1974. 11:30

48: Charles Hickson interviewed in Jackson, MS in 1999. 30:00


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 09:36 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

I was more hoping to get the names of the toll booth operators, who knows I might get lucky and find them on facebook or something. I would be surprised of the footage still existed, the cameras are not even made any more, however, there is no reason at to think they were turned off. That would contravene any military contract in place. I do not think it would any harder than getting the Klass evaluation online, mercy did I look, and came to the conclusion I was going to have to track a hardcover down.

Also, it seems it was smack bang right between two main traffic thoroughfares that do not seem to have produced any supporting evidence in the way of testimony.



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In this aerial image you can see the location of the checkpoints of the Pascagoula River bridges.Top, identified as B, is the control booth railway bridge. Below, identified as A, is the gatehouse of ninety highway bridge. On the left, labeled C, is the place where the abduction took place.




And as we can see, the gatehouse was most certainly in full view of the alleged scene.








But as far as Charlie's tale goes, it was on dry land.


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In the picture we can see the place where the abduction took place Pascagoula. The red circle marks the spot where you were fishing Calvin and Charlie. The black circle marks the spot where the ship landed and the blue circle where the vehicle was parked in Charlie.




The operator distracted

The case of the checkpoints is not conclusive. As we can see in the picture below, the two booths, identified by the letters A and B, have direct vision range instead of abduction circled. In the image below, the place of abduction is identified with the letter C.
Let's review the details of the checkpoint identified with the letter A. This checkpoint is controlled by the drawbridge to allow the passage of ships through the Pascagoula River, crossing the path of the road number ninety. The operator of this checkpoint told Murphy Givens had not seen anything unusual the night of the abduction.
Organization International UFO Registry (International Register of UFOs) conducted in the weeks following the abduction, an interesting experiment. One person was located, at night, in the place where the abduction took place and lit a reflector, for several minutes, pointing to the bridge control booth. At the end of the experiment, the operator was questioned and stated he did not see any light.


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In this aerial image can appreciate the location of the checkpoints of the Pascagoula River bridges. Above, identified as B, is the control booth railway bridge. Below, identified as A, is the gatehouse of the highway bridge nineties. On the left, labeled C, is the place where the abduction occurred.
In 1975, an accident occurred that provides interesting details about the alert level of the night operators control booth highway bridge nineties. One night in September 1975, a truck crashed into the side of the bridge a little less than a hundred meters from the bridge checkpoint. The operator did not see anything. His neglect was so great, that the accident was discovered the next morning thanks to the hole in the truck made ​​of concrete bridge barrier. The truck driver and the body were found floating in the river and the bridge operator and had learned.
Clearly operators nocturnal highway bridge nineties did not spend the night, precisely, scanning the sky for lights and UFOs ...
The checkpoint identified as B in the above image controls a railroad bridge that rotates on itself to allow the passage of vessels through the route of the railway.
Organization International UFO Registry (International Register of UFOs ) performed the same experiment with the gatehouse reflector railway bridge and got the same results: the operator saw nothing.
Subsequently, the investigator William Mendez visited the booth of the railway bridge and watched the TV operator's booth was located in a position that completely blocked the view of the place of abduction.
debunkers Some argue that the road has a level number ninety regular traffic during the night and that some of the drivers should have reported anything unusual the night of the abduction. This argument is convincing, on the surface, but when you analyze the details loses strength. Moreover, as discussed below, there were at least three people who saw a UFO that night from the road nineties.


edit to add link:  http://cosasluismi.b...cagoula-iv.html

Edited by quillius, 16 April 2013 - 09:37 AM.


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 09:37 AM

View Postquillius, on 16 April 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

the calculations are for an Egg and therefore it cannot have the scope of variance that an 'oval' shape would have.

Although he states Egg, I can work with oval, his calcs are out there too. Main thing is we have a drawing, and it does not fit into the dimensions given.

View Postquillius, on 16 April 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

Charlie also describes it as oblong to be fair on the first interview.

Charlie seems to have enough "anomalies" and "corrections" out there to cover just about any situation. It's a cigar according to this dimensions.

View Postquillius, on 16 April 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

and no he says a 'little longer than that'....the transcript can easily have that first figure of 8ft typed incorrectly, especially when they quote a witness without knowing the surname, yet the rest of the world knows it.

Or, it could be correct. Al little longer than what? The only dimension he gives is 8 feet?


and it was approximately 8 ft. wide, it was a little longer than that, and it had to be over 8 ft. high

No way are you squeezing 30 foot into that statement.

View Postquillius, on 16 April 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

I will post you some audio clips that you will find interesting....


I see you have, thank you, I will put them on my hone so I can get through them when driving.

View Postquillius, on 16 April 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

juts to confirm to date we have only ever heard Charlie say 30ft  :yes:

We will see about that. I have a feeling there is something out there with ten foot on it, and by gum I am going to do my damnedest to track it down. ;)

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 09:44 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

Although he states Egg, I can work with oval, his calcs are out there too. Main thing is we have a drawing, and it does not fit into the dimensions given.

egg? never seen that either to be fair....I have seen him say on the two interviews:

'its not round it seemed more of an oblong shape'

and

''it wasnt round it seemed more oval in shape''



View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

Charlie seems to have enough "anomalies" and "corrections" out there to cover just about any situation. It's a cigar according to this dimensions.

hmmm I havent seen any......only his two shapes oval versus oblong...but hey on the back of that experience and the hounding that followed I think one would make a few slip ups.....

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

Or, it could be correct. Al little longer than what? The only dimension he gives is 8 feet?


and it was approximately 8 ft. wide, it was a little longer than that, and it had to be over 8 ft. high

No way are you squeezing 30 foot into that statement.

at the same time you cannot say 30ft isnt longer than 8ft :) in addition I still fall back on his words that we can all hear'' 30ft''......Klass did tackle this part and I will break it down for you with his take on things.

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

I see you have, thank you, I will put them on my hone so I can get through them when driving.

We will see about that. I have a feeling there is something out there with ten foot on it, and by gum I am going to do my damnedest to track it down. ;)

No worries have some more diamonds for you but dont want to flood the thread until we go over the relevant bits....maybe one of the audios wil help you hang me on the 10ft part :)


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 09:45 AM

View Postquillius, on 16 April 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

The operator distracted

The case of the checkpoints is not conclusive. As we can see in the picture below, the two booths, identified by the letters A and B, have direct vision range instead of abduction circled. In the image below, the place of abduction is identified with the letter C.
Let's review the details of the checkpoint identified with the letter A. This checkpoint is controlled by the drawbridge to allow the passage of ships through the Pascagoula River, crossing the path of the road number ninety. The operator of this checkpoint told Murphy Givens had not seen anything unusual the night of the abduction.
Organization International UFO Registry (International Register of UFOs) conducted in the weeks following the abduction, an interesting experiment. One person was located, at night, in the place where the abduction took place and lit a reflector, for several minutes, pointing to the bridge control booth. At the end of the experiment, the operator was questioned and stated he did not see any light.


Posted Image
In this aerial image can appreciate the location of the checkpoints of the Pascagoula River bridges. Above, identified as B, is the control booth railway bridge. Below, identified as A, is the gatehouse of the highway bridge nineties. On the left, labeled C, is the place where the abduction occurred.
In 1975, an accident occurred that provides interesting details about the alert level of the night operators control booth highway bridge nineties. One night in September 1975, a truck crashed into the side of the bridge a little less than a hundred meters from the bridge checkpoint. The operator did not see anything. His neglect was so great, that the accident was discovered the next morning thanks to the hole in the truck made ​​of concrete bridge barrier. The truck driver and the body were found floating in the river and the bridge operator and had learned.
Clearly operators nocturnal highway bridge nineties did not spend the night, precisely, scanning the sky for lights and UFOs ...
The checkpoint identified as B in the above image controls a railroad bridge that rotates on itself to allow the passage of vessels through the route of the railway.
Organization International UFO Registry (International Register of UFOs ) performed the same experiment with the gatehouse reflector railway bridge and got the same results: the operator saw nothing.
Subsequently, the investigator William Mendez visited the booth of the railway bridge and watched the TV operator's booth was located in a position that completely blocked the view of the place of abduction.
debunkers Some argue that the road has a level number ninety regular traffic during the night and that some of the drivers should have reported anything unusual the night of the abduction. This argument is convincing, on the surface, but when you analyze the details loses strength. Moreover, as discussed below, there were at least three people who saw a UFO that night from the road nineties.


edit to add link:  http://cosasluismi.b...cagoula-iv.html

Of course they did not see the truck. No blue light on it.


That is as bad as saying they Toll Booth operators were never there! Weer the saw people on duty when the truck crashed? And what is the obstacle in the line of sight? It is not apparent? Looks like a clear view? And you can see that highway from the photo at the site which seems to contradict an obscured view. It took of upward did it not? It even did some circles, how is that entire area, including the sky obscured from view?

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 09:52 AM

View Postquillius, on 16 April 2013 - 09:44 AM, said:

egg? never seen that either to be fair....I have seen him say on the two interviews:

'its not round it seemed more of an oblong shape'

and

''it wasnt round it seemed more oval in shape''

!!

Read the post again.

Hint: - Although he states Egg, I can work with oval,

View Postquillius, on 16 April 2013 - 09:44 AM, said:

hmmm I havent seen any......only his two shapes oval versus oblong...but hey on the back of that experience and the hounding that followed I think one would make a few slip ups.....

It's a cigar, and does not fit this:

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View Postquillius, on 16 April 2013 - 09:44 AM, said:

at the same time you cannot say 30ft isnt longer than 8ft :) in addition I still fall back on his words that we can all hear'' 30ft''......Klass did tackle this part and I will break it down for you with his take on things.

Whilst thirty foot is indeed longer than 8 feet, I think calling 30 foot "a little longer" is rather a stretch.

View Postquillius, on 16 April 2013 - 09:44 AM, said:

No worries have some more diamonds for you but dont want to flood the thread until we go over the relevant bits....maybe one of the audios wil help you hang me on the 10ft part :)

They will be awesome, thanks again. I doubt the kids will like this as opposed to the AC DC I usually blare out of my car but they can put up with it for a bit.....

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:11 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 09:52 AM, said:

!!

Read the post again.

Hint: - Although he states Egg, I can work with oval,



It's a cigar, and does not fit this:

Posted Image


hmm???? The Ryder and Diamond interview (couple of hours after the event, reads as below)


Can you describe the vehicle?
Yes, I can. It was about eight feet tall. It wasn't round. It was oblong, sort of oblong, and the opening it had was at one end of it. The only lights I seen on the outside was that blue light.

then the interogation by the base he says

'it wasnt round but seemed more oval shaped'

still cant find an egg reference by Charlie???? (even though egg versus oval is quite fussy considering one would describe the shape of an egg as oval LOL)

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 09:52 AM, said:

Whilst thirty foot is indeed longer than 8 feet, I think calling 30 foot "a little longer" is rather a stretch.

maybe, who knows what he meant....I guess I can only go by what he has actually said with definitive size..that being 30ft...so maybe you or I would not describe it as a little longer....but Charlie seems to have)

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 09:52 AM, said:

They will be awesome, thanks again. I doubt the kids will like this as opposed to the AC DC I usually blare out of my car but they can put up with it for a bit.....

lol no worries mate, like I said have more gems for you


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:55 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:15 AM, said:

In time. It will take some piecing together.

no probs

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:15 AM, said:

Charlie went to the press first. No wonder how it got out after that.


Well, Mr. Fred, when I got out of there, I knowed nobody wouldn't believe me. I went by the Mississippi Press, beat on the door. This colored guy was sittin' at the desk. I said I wanted to see a reporter. He said there won't be no reporter till morning. I thought about it again. If I call the sheriff's department they won't believe me. If I call the police department they won't believe me-

Yes he did indeed go there first. However, I have since found out that the first UPI to go out to the nation the next morning was quoting the words of Diamond who stated he believed the men........So it would seem to confirm that Diamond let the cat out of the bag to the press hence the early morning wire quoting him....

plus he said the world had a right to know :yes:  oh and he showed Broadus and others  the recording.......so I would currently make him the odds on favourite


View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:15 AM, said:

He went to the press, but asked the Sheriff to keep quiet?

yes, thought processes can indeed change over a few hours...maybe the severe interogation from the sheriff suddenly made Charlie realise that the witch hunt would develop if the public knew...plus he could see Calvin going from bad to worse because of the experience.....maybe what seemed a good idea at the idea ''let the world know'' seemed not so smart a few hours later


View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:15 AM, said:

They had more opportunities as well, but declined on the basis of unfair advantage on a home ground. Seems to be quite a few "valid" excuses.

ok the Polygraph is interesting...out of 19 pages (of Klass debunk)  a majority is focused on the test itself. I still think this paints Collingo in a shady light whilst doing nothing to dent the credibility of the two men. I think this is somehting we should tackle at a later date also as its quite a big subject (according to Klass at least)
bottom line is though that Calvin was in hospital whilst the test was done!

Edited by quillius, 16 April 2013 - 10:55 AM.


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 12:20 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

I woud surmise perhaps one of two reasons.

1 - They thought they had been seen.

2 - Personal guilt, could not live with the thought of invoking God's wrath, and had a personal struggle of conscience, which Calvin seems to have lost.

If they thought they had been seen then surely they would have been exposed so where does the logic appear? They would not have made a UFO story up to bring attention to themselves to allow the person that saw them a chance to come forward and say what really happened....they would have kept quiet in the hope they are not pointed out

Personal guilt? How is this reconciled with the act itself...i.e. how does a further lie stop the wrath of God when he will know the truth?

Just doesn’t add up at all im afraid...coupled with no evidence to suggest anything like that, makes it an impossible sell (at this stage)

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

Calvin paints this picture stronger than Charlie does, as an example from the Spanish website:


"Raped. I have been violated. I have been raped by creatures from another planet. "
Start the video claiming to have been violated is, somehow, trying to break free of guilt about what happened in 1973. But freedom from guilt to whom? reviewing, in detail, your new account you can conclude that Parker sought to redeem himself in his faith: Christianity.

In the original story of the 1973 abduction, Parker said she collapsed when one of the beings robots seemed touched his arm. In this testimony, 1993, Parker explains that these robots injected with a substance in the arm to paralyze: "And when they came (the people who seemed robots), one of them shot me in my arm and my body was completely paralyzed, I could not feel anything, I could not move anything, my muscles were paralyzed. "


Charlie saw him go limp when the creatures grabbed him, whether or not he came round whilst in the craft is a guess. We do have Calvin on record saying he remembers a bright light from inside the craft as he was being taken back out.

The rest of the above you quoted is once he has lost his mind and its many years after. Not worth the paper it is written on, otherwise Mike Cataldo comes heavily into play....

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

You have the paperwork, I look forward to seeing it.

Huh? No I don’t have the medical report hence why I say we cant know what they did or didn’t check for let alone find. I do have something interesting for you though...Klass makes a point (using an asterix) to highlight that Charlie didn’t mention his eyes at the medical examination and that they were not checked...also that they only checked for radiation......although granted you may have the rebuttal suggesting Klass could not have known this or at worst should prove it...but I would hate for you and him to be at opposite ends J

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

You have on the 12th, but cunningly you are not accepting it as the description is not a definite length, but "a little over 8 feet" and that would make an oval. His dimensions draw a cigar. I can do some sketches if you like to illustrate the point, but those dimensions seem arguable as an oval. 10 feet would be a nice oval.

The spanish article also links to this Spanish article:

LINK

The average ship about three to four meters wide, three meters high and ten feet long. Emitting a blue light and did not produce intermittent sounds similar to those of an engine. Charlie said he had seen something like a window on top of the object.

His approximate dimensions...remember he was under stress during the event plus from all the interviews that followed....I do like the fact he holds the picture (which matched Calvins) you posted which confirms he endorses the picture as what he witnessed..and to me that picture matches all known descriptions that I have heard Charlie give

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

And you are asking me what is in his report! Cheeky pom you! file:///C:\Users\EFSTAT~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif

I look forward to this as well, I am interested to see how the description given so far can be morphed into the sighting in question. The discrepancies so far are somewhat glaring.

Yet I don’t see any discrepancies but further corroboration in both pictures and descriptions

as for the Spanish article......Do I really need to try and attack a third hand interpretation followed by translation? Surely lets stick with what Charlie says


View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

Not surprising as many sources do indeed state the beings hovered on/over the water. What I have not been able to determine is if this is a genuine misprint, or another version Charlie let out at some stage.

But as far as Charlie's tale goes, it was on dry land.


They say? They seems to be rather confused don't they?

No you are correct that the confusion is mine and not Charlie’s, he even states they sat on the river bank in his interrogation, I failed to spot that part so all we have for sure is Charlie saying they were on the bank and they used no boat....catfish and equipment problem solved....lovely J

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

Attorney Colingo: I can say this. Not this particular story, but at the same time, this object was sighted by others who are as critical or — well by officers.
One man was Broadus. He related the story again this morning at the police station where they were going down the highway and passed the vicinity where they were. You can see it from the,1 highway there just across the bridge. They saw the object for three minutes. And the times correspond. . . ;  

Huntley: And their description and everything. They even described the blue lights and everything.

Hanson: Was it a dark blue light or a light blue light?

Hickson: It was just a glowing...! don't know.


Collingo is trying to validate the story, and rather desperately I might add. Hickson seems rather neutral here. I do not accept this a corroboration.




Colingo: Did Broadus come and report this sighting and then these men?

Huntley: 1 don't remember now. I would have to check with the chief on that. But I do know that they heard the tape that we took last night — or they took last night.

Rudolph: This was after they had been in to tell their story?

Huntley: Right. Then that is when they said, "Well, you know that is funny because we saw the same thing. We saw a blue light." In fact Mr. Broadus is a Christian man and he said he'd been over to Gautier somewhere to church.

Colingo: If Mr. Broadus says he saw it — he saw it. I mean, he is that type of fellow. Now this other fellow — I don't know who you are talking about...



But the Broadus description is:


"Puddin' Broadus, a Pascagoula detective back then, told me he saw something streak through the air," says Glenn Ryder, a former captain with the Jackson County Sheriff's department who was the first to interrogate Hickson and Parker. "Puddin's dead now, but he was a fine man. He wouldn't make up something like that.


This I do not accept as corroboration.

Huntley: Kimisky.

Colingo: What did he do? Call in to the police station last night or something? , Or report seeing some object? Or what?

Huntley: No, you are talking about Larry. He owns a Standard station. Evidently — the chief passed this on to me this morning — that Larry saw the same thing. Said he walked out on his porch and he looked up at the sky and...


Colingo: And that was unrelated to this? He just apparently reported it also to the Sheriff?

Huntley: Right.


Nor this, considering that Larry saw:

The object appeared to be suspended in the air and had red lights moving in the direction of clockwise. Larry Booth heard no noise and watched him above the treetops.


Rudolph: That was what I was asking. Did these people report the incident —

Huntley: Right. They were unrelated as far as I know.


And this speaks for itself, the police too consider them unrelated.

the mistakes in that conversation are incredible, you have Collingo blinkered by dollar signs, Huntley who also sees some financial possibilities from all this with uncertainty in what they are saying...which one is unrelated? Who is Kimisky?

Also if you notice the bolded ‘they even noticed the blue lights and everything’

Hmm hardly unrelated ‘the blue lights’ and ‘everything’ plus how does this equate to only seeing a streak in the sky?

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

If you find the above description to be erroneous, I would be interested to see your sources.
What is the source of the comment? Its again second hand interpretation by a journalist, the text reads ‘He thought, He saw’ let’s hear what the horse had to say

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

Except that half the time the craft seems to be over the water, and galf the time over land. I wish to find out of this is Charlie's doing, or confusing with e description whereby the creatures "floated". I can accept that perhaps the on air part in that description was omitted.

as I said its Journalists fault (even I fell for it), we have no question here that Charlie states clearly ‘no boat ‘ and that they sat on the river bank...

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

That does not seem to be the description the men are giving.


It is a story we have heard many time, we need saving from ourselves, but the bits about the Bible are just too out there for me. Yes, bible bashing aliens.

As you know, I do not believe they are witnesses to a UFO.

I snipped the above FYI. We are not talking about the descriptions the men gave...we were talking about the rest of the family and at no point to I see them talking about bible bashing aliens...just a UFO...

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

There is as much proof of the ETH as there is the IDH. None. I do not feel a claim makes that situation any different? However, it's not a biggie for me as I do not feel either are explanations  but it would have theoretically explained the size of the craft, and as you can see, others have wanted to walk this path, but more than happy to drop it if you like. There is plenty of information to wander.

Exactly, hence why speculation as to the size of craft and how it travelled through space is irrelevant IMO.....(although it was 30ft hehe)


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 12:28 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:26 AM, said:

The man holding the official representation himself. As such, it seems he has no objections to this depiction. I think some of the given dimensions just do not result in this shape. Not once they stretch out to 30 feet.



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I dont know, I think that drawing has the following:


matches Calvins drawing, the shape is hard to describe (unless your 747), the colour is blue, it appears to have the two port holes, the had to be over 8ft height is ok and could easily be 10ft, the length (or width from our angle of view ;) ) could easily be 25-30ft, hovering about 2-3 ft off the ground.....all adds up nicely.




View Postpsyche101, on 16 April 2013 - 12:26 AM, said:


And we all know Charlie is damn good with numbers




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Available from these sellers.
2 new from $433.16

9 used from $126.00



hmm I wonder if the retail price of $0.99 I have seen is correct...it would seem so with the 1970's timeframe in mind. Shame Charlie didnt see any of these inflated trading prices during his time...would have been nice if he had made some money from this seeing as he had to endure what he has for years.


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 03:17 PM

View PostEnglishgent, on 27 October 2011 - 11:35 AM, said:

Please dont get me wrong here as I dont wish to detract from the OP's original post and I am not suggesting there is no evidence to support abductions, but I find it rather strange that this whole 'adbuction' thing seems to be an American phenonemon. Does anybody have any statistics as to how many adbuctions there are worldwide and not just in the USA?

The whole world knows that aliens only visit USA. That is why they need so many guns to defend themselves. Did you know that 1/5 of gun violence in USA are from people shooting other people whom they believe are aliens in disguise?

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 03:23 PM

View PostAshiene, on 16 April 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

The whole world knows that aliens only visit USA. That is why they need so many guns to defend themselves. Did you know that 1/5 of gun violence in USA are from people shooting other people whom they believe are aliens in disguise?

do you have a link to that stat please,.......


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View Postquillius, on 16 April 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

hmm???? The Ryder and Diamond interview (couple of hours after the event, reads as below)


Can you describe the vehicle?
Yes, I can. It was about eight feet tall. It wasn't round. It was oblong, sort of oblong, and the opening it had was at one end of it. The only lights I seen on the outside was that blue light.

then the interogation by the base he says

'it wasnt round but seemed more oval shaped'

still cant find an egg reference by Charlie???? (even though egg versus oval is quite fussy considering one would describe the shape of an egg as oval LOL)




This approved by Charlie picture:

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Shows dimensions of about 2.5cm x 6cm (printed as seen above that is). So we are not looking it is head on, but side on as the discrepancy is too great, scaling to Charlie's measurements of:


approximately 8 ft. wide, it was a little longer than that, and it had to be over 8 ft. high

cannot translate 2.5 x 6 to come to these figures right? So it must be side on. Therefore we have height and length and height, height being 2.5cm in this representation, but 8 x 4 = 32 right? Approximately close? 2.5 x 4  = 10, almost double the dimension depicted in this drawing. His dimensions do not reflect his drawings at all. Yet he says this was what he saw. Not approximately close, but approximately half the length it should be.


I have not got through all the audio's yet, and I can list hundreds fo websites that make the claim allegedly from Charlie, but it matters not, as I said, I can work with oval too. That does not fit either.

When I get some time, perhaps over the weekend, I will have a crack at drawing Charlie's ship using the given dimensions and his description.


View Postquillius, on 16 April 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

maybe, who knows what he meant....I guess I can only go by what he has actually said with definitive size..that being 30ft...so maybe you or I would not describe it as a little longer....but Charlie seems to have)

I cannot see Charlie describing a little over 8 feet as 30 foot. If that is the case, he cannot for the life of him offer any sound details to work with, and therefore his entire testimony is in doubt.

View Postquillius, on 16 April 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

lol no worries mate, like I said have more gems for you

Still getting through Audio, quite a good find there mate :tu:

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