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The History of Schizophrenia


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#286    Frank Merton

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 05:53 PM

That the behavior of a schizophrenic has something to do with gods doesn't seem an outrageous view to a prescientific society.  Demon possession is the particular negative and evil slant Christians put on it -- they seem to do that with all kinds of unusual things -- interpret it as evil.

Other cultures hire scribes to follow the schizophrenic around and write down everything he or she says and does, hoping for clues to the future or some other form of divine wisdom.  Having the illness in one of these cultures is a good meal ticket.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:26 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 26 April 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

Other cultures hire scribes to follow the schizophrenic around and write down everything he or she says and does, hoping for clues to the future or some other form of divine wisdom.  Having the illness in one of these cultures is a good meal ticket.

Is it just me, or did that just perfectly describe radical Islam?  :passifier:


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Posted 27 April 2013 - 07:51 PM

What I see is the American people looking for truth in spiritual matters. I see the American Psychiatric Association shadowing the truth with the lie that schizophrenia is merely an implied brain disorder and not persecution or suffering at the hands of the devils. Sometimes, the greatest of truths can not be found from the highly educated and well thought of but those considered as some of the most lowly in this world. In punishment, the devil is destroyed, mad, insane and psychotic. So is the schizophrenic life temporarily destroyed in punishment, mad, insane and psychotic. This is an affect of believing the lying, deceiving devils. The affect of sin and disbelief. Although, truth into the spiritual can come in many forms, the truth in the schizophrenic dilemma should not be ignored.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 09:46 PM

View Postnotforgotten, on 27 April 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

What I see is the American people looking for truth in spiritual matters. I see the American Psychiatric Association shadowing the truth with the lie that schizophrenia is merely an implied brain disorder and not persecution or suffering at the hands of the devils. Sometimes, the greatest of truths can not be found from the highly educated and well thought of but those considered as some of the most lowly in this world. In punishment, the devil is destroyed, mad, insane and psychotic. So is the schizophrenic life temporarily destroyed in punishment, mad, insane and psychotic. This is an affect of believing the lying, deceiving devils. The affect of sin and disbelief. Although, truth into the spiritual can come in many forms, the truth in the schizophrenic dilemma should not be ignored.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 09:58 PM

View Postnotforgotten, on 27 April 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I choose to respect your position. Nice to have actual opinions.

My own spirituality is somewhat different, but not far from your own.


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Posted 27 April 2013 - 10:17 PM

View Postnotforgotten, on 27 April 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

What I see is the American people looking for truth in spiritual matters. I see the American Psychiatric Association shadowing the truth with the lie that schizophrenia is merely an implied brain disorder and not persecution or suffering at the hands of the devils. Sometimes, the greatest of truths can not be found from the highly educated and well thought of but those considered as some of the most lowly in this world. In punishment, the devil is destroyed, mad, insane and psychotic. So is the schizophrenic life temporarily destroyed in punishment, mad, insane and psychotic. This is an affect of believing the lying, deceiving devils. The affect of sin and disbelief. Although, truth into the spiritual can come in many forms, the truth in the schizophrenic dilemma should not be ignored.

In the way back machine, it was commonly accepted that mental illness was caused by demons & devils. People were tortured in an attempt to exorcise these evil spirits. That notion went by the wayside during the Age of Enlightenment and a better understanding of the human body and its diseases. In other words, it's rational. Truth can be found anywhere, as can commons sense, of course, it's not confined to just those with education or higher socio/economic status. I seriously doubt that you can find many people, uneducated or otherwise, who would agree with your hypothesis. I could be wrong here, but I'm guessing that notion of mental illness is caused by demons/satan is mostly limited to fundamentalists and to a very small portion of humanity. The Catholic Church, as an institution, no longer endorses or teaches that view. Granted there are those who still adhere to this belief, but they in no way represent the the views of the Catholic or Protestant majority or leadership, or indeed, the population in general.


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Posted 27 April 2013 - 10:45 PM

View PostBeany, on 27 April 2013 - 10:17 PM, said:

In the way back machine, it was commonly accepted that mental illness was caused by demons & devils. God goes unchanging, so why would the devil be any different? People were tortured in an attempt to exorcise these evil spirits. I view this as mistreatment of the mentally ill. Fortunately, improvements in this area has been made. That notion went by the wayside during the Age of Enlightenment and a better understanding of the human body and its diseases. But not in the spiritual nature of mental illness. In other words, it's rational. The psychiatric view of schizophrenia is merely implied and is untruthful, unrighteous and destructive. Truth can be found anywhere, as can commons sense, of course, it's not confined to just those with education or higher socio/economic status. I seriously doubt that you can find many people, uneducated or otherwise, who would agree with your hypothesis. If you care to witness others, search the internet for schizophrenia and spiritual warfare. I could be wrong here, but I'm guessing that notion of mental illness is caused by demons/satan is mostly limited to fundamentalists and to a very small portion of humanity. The Catholic Church, as an institution, no longer endorses or teaches that view. They still adhere to the belief that the devil is real, but on account of law suits refrain from exorcisms and afflictions caused by the psychiatrist. Granted there are those who still adhere to this belief, but they in no way represent the the views of the Catholic or Protestant majority or leadership, or indeed, the population in general.
As it has always been, the truth has come not from the many, but the few.


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Posted 27 April 2013 - 10:47 PM

Hmm interesting topic it brings to mind two words for me THE INQUISITION.  :w00t:


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Posted 27 April 2013 - 10:58 PM

View PostCRIPTIC CHAMELEON, on 27 April 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

Hmm interesting topic it brings to mind two words for me THE INQUISITION.  :w00t:

Allow me to assist in our new age...  It brings two words to me, radical Islam.


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Posted 27 April 2013 - 11:11 PM

View Postpallidin, on 27 April 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

Allow me to assist in our new age...  It brings two words to me, radical Islam.
Radical Islam has nothing to do with schizophrenia being persecution and suffering at the hands of the devils. Schizophrenia to the Christian can be seen as a call to grace and as work in salvation by the Holy Spirit. To all others, the reality of it would be only divine punishment for sin. This has nothing to due with radical Islam.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 12:14 AM

I apologize if someone already mentioned this, I don't have time to read this whole thread, but my time is limited.

One of the key reasons that such episodes have been discredited as a form of supernatural communication is their lack of any consistency.

If a true and real religion were established on the ranting’s on one mad man, then we would have one universal religion.  If someone found god in India, than it should be the same god as the Aztecs.

It is not.

The validation of scribbles and information given by schizophrenics subject to any deciphering by an outsider is often also inconsistent.

The fact is that the inability to follow logic impedes the development of the individual not only in society, but also in any rational life skill where personal preservation and the safety of others is an issue.

It is clear that there is not a lot of academic input into this conversation.  I would think that if one would want to be taken seriously about the subject, they would at least start with a full understanding of the processes involved.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 12:29 AM

Divine punishment by the Holy Spirit as is the case with the schizophrenic can be a blessed experience for the person and can produce many if not all of the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self control.

Love: love for God and neighbor as commanded by the Lord.

Joy: joy in knowing the truth and that one will be delivered from their enemies, the devils and be in the arms of their most loving creator.

Peace: peace through prayer and obedience to God.

Longsuffering: longsuffering with God's truth can produce a more humble and wiser person.

Kindness: kindness for others in knowing what destruction becomes of the unbelieving soul.

Goodness: goodness in the knowledge that God and his heavenly family is good.

Faithfulness: faithfulness in that these people have witnessed the devil and some of those in heaven have made themselves known to them as well (God, Jesus, angels and saints)

Gentleness: through suffering and discipleship become gentler people.

Self control: self control through obedience to God to ward off the devils.

These are merely examples of how the fruits of the Holy Spirit can be obtained through divine punishment and suffering.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 12:57 AM

View Postswitchopens, on 28 April 2013 - 12:14 AM, said:

I apologize if someone already mentioned this, I don't have time to read this whole thread, but my time is limited.

One of the key reasons that such episodes have been discredited as a form of supernatural communication is their lack of any consistency. The devils are lost souls and will lie and deceive people into believing that they are anything but what they really are. For example, they will masquerade as the Secret Service, police, FBI, CIA and yes even God. They are masters at the art of deception causing delusions and even psychosis. Simply put, the devil is likened a madman, striking madness in his victims. This is not to discredit the testimonies of those who truly have witnessed God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, angels and the saints in heaven. God and his people reach out to many of these broken souls.

The validation of scribbles and information given by schizophrenics subject to any deciphering by an outsider is often also inconsistent. But can be seen consistently with the knowledge we have of the devils and God.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 03:58 AM

Schizophrenia is a good demonstration of divine punishment and how we are shackled to the Evil One. Schizophrenia is punishment by the Holy Spirit for sin. It's sin that brings evil spirits into our lives. It's sin and lack of faith that shackles a person to the devil for all of eternity. The devils lie and deceive causing false beliefs, delusions and even psychosis in the minds of the schizophrenic. The devils often believe these lies themselves and quite frequently masquerade as something they are not. Psychosis and delusional thought is not unlike the condition of the lost souls being punished in the afterlife. This is merely the human and angelic condition without God. It is not something in which God does himself. We are evil and wicked without him. When a schizophrenic is psychotic, believing his own lies the lies of the devil, he is lost in punishment, not unlike the devils. In punishment, the soul is in ruins. During a psychotic episode, the schizophrenics life is in ruins. God, Jesus, the angels and saints in heaven sometimes reach out to these broken souls, guiding them away from sin, in truth, toward salvation to be delivered from this evil, our enemy, the devils.

Edited by notforgotten, 28 April 2013 - 04:01 AM.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 04:37 AM

View PostCRIPTIC CHAMELEON, on 27 April 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

Hmm interesting topic it brings to mind two words for me THE INQUISITION.  :w00t:

Oh, quit being so rational. Where's the fun in that? There's no drama, no threat of death by fiery flames, no secret plots or emissaries of evil, no tension between good & evil to be resolved in a satisfactory way, no denouement. Spelling that last word may have been the hardest thing I've done all day.  Hellfire & damnation, as retro as they are, are apparently making a big comeback. Oh, I have to go, I think I hear the four horsemen swiftly approaching, no doubt to deliver my heathen soul to the eternal flames. No, it turned out to be my neighbors aussies let out for an evening run.





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