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#1    Render

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:19 AM

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As American science students struggle to compete with the global competition, Oklahoma is moving forward with a law that could ban Biology teachers from failing students who argue that humans co-existed with dinosaurs. The state legislator’s committee in charge of education standards has approved a law that would forbid teachers from penalizing students who argue against widely accepted scientific theories, such as evolution and climate change.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:34 AM

View PostRender, on 26 February 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

The state legislator’s committee in charge of education standards has approved a law that would forbid teachers from penalizing students who argue against widely accepted scientific theories, such as evolution and climate change. ...
As far as the latter is concerned, it does sometimes seem as if there is a rigorous campaign to suppress people from expressing heretical opinions on the Climate change question, (you see it often enough here, how anyone who does express any question concerning the matter is dismissed as a loony creationist right-wing nutter), and in that respect at least, they might perhaps be able to argue that they're protecting freedom of speech, I suppose. Failing students who express doubt about climate change? That does sound rather totalitarian.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:35 AM

Ok that bill is an actual good one for education, it so that kids can actually debate subjects instead of just automatically failing. They still have to get the correct answers on the tests and the work but now they can pretty much have discuss their beliefs without getting completely shafted.(Well besides looking like a complete idiot for going against the class and teacher but that only happens on some of the more religious theories).

Honestly would of been useful because I would of question things especially on the science front because in school they barely touched on anything and left the information kind of vague on certain subjects and god forbid you asked a teacher a question that makes sense but disagrees with what the book says.

Edited by Jinxdom, 26 February 2013 - 08:41 AM.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:06 AM

Yes, I think it's good because it opens the doorway to challenging given views and actually delving into the knowledge. I bet it can be fun for some students to debate about theories, even the widely accepted ones. As long as they are taught to argument well and not ignore science , but to use it in their reasoning and where they perhaps find flaws. Could be interesting at the least.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:13 PM

A student should be free to  BELIEVE anything they want....   but,   i think it's the teacher's job to teach what the scientific consensus is.     The correct answer on the test  must agree with that consensus?

consensus |kənˈsensəs|noun [ usu. in sing. ]general agreement: a consensus of opinion among judges | [ as modifier ] : a consensus view.ORIGIN mid 17th cent.: from Latin,‘agreement,’ from consens- ‘agreed,’ from the verb consentire .

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:33 PM

Every student should be free in there beliefs however when a test says 'When did the dinosaur's die out?' the answer should be 65 Million Years Ago. As that is the scientifically recognized time period of the mass extinction of most dino's.

If the question was 'When do you think the dino's died?' Then they can put down what ever they think.

But since this is science class the answer needs to be scientific, if they can't come up with a scientific theory or evidence to back up there claims then the answer is just a belief.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:53 PM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 26 February 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

As far as the latter is concerned, it does sometimes seem as if there is a rigorous campaign to suppress people from expressing heretical opinions on the Climate change question, (you see it often enough here, how anyone who does express any question concerning the matter is dismissed as a loony creationist right-wing nutter), and in that respect at least, they might perhaps be able to argue that they're protecting freedom of speech, I suppose. Failing students who express doubt about climate change? That does sound rather totalitarian.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:32 PM

View PostMerc14, on 26 February 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

Liberals are actually the new Nazis, not conservatives as teh liberal mmedia wouyld have you blelieve.  Liberals rigorously and now often violently, suppress all opinions that go against their asinine belief system.
God forbid that science classes should actually teach science, rather than everyone's opinion.


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Political correctness is nothing more than massive censorship of differering opinions.  Think about it, you can lose your job if you say teh wrong word or words.
Words such as "I voted for Obama".



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:26 PM

Well this is interesting. I don't see why a student would be failed for having their own opinions- if they are also doing the assigned schoolwork correctly. If they refuse to do their schoolwork correctly because they will not use scientific fact, then they should fail.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:33 PM

A science "test" is not the place to express their opinions.

Since when did getting an answer wrong become "having a different opinion"?

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:38 PM

View PostStellar, on 26 February 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

A science "test" is not the place to express their opinions.

Since when did getting an answer wrong become "having a different opinion"?

I think about 15-20 years ago (give or take a few years) when it became more important for children to have high self-esteem then to learn.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:57 PM

500 years ago, saying earth is not flat was wrong. now we know better.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:04 PM

i would personally fail those students anyway. i respect their opinion, but...

they came to school to learn, and more so to prepare themselves to be out in real world. if you have not learned that sometimes you have to say\do things, in real world, that ppl expect you to do, not what you think should be done, you deserve an F. you have not learned how to act in real world.

if you go on a job interview and tell ppl there, they don't run their buissnes right, you will get a boot, that is a real world, if you want to change the way their buissnes works, do it when you are in a position to do so. and shut your mouth before you get there, that is a real world.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:55 PM

View Postaztek, on 26 February 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

500 years ago, saying earth is not flat was wrong. now we know better.

You do know that 500 years ago very few people thought the world was flat. I'm not sure when or why this myth began. Since people first went to sea (and probably before that) they knew the world couldn't be flat else they would not see the tops of the masts (or any tall object) before seeing the hull (base of object).

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:03 PM

it doesn't matter what ppl knew,
SAYING it was not flat was wrong, becouse church said it was flat, thus this is how it is, (kinda reminds me of something today).
just ask Giordano Bruno he knows.

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