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#3331    bee

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:38 PM

View Postzoser, on 10 October 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

His mentor was none other than Edward Teller.  Some feel that this explains his appointment to area 51/S4 and why he has never been taken to task regarding his disclosures.


I think that at some point Teller denied being connected to Lazar..?.but that isn't very surprising to me under the circumstances.

Lazar says that he did suffer harassment and was even shot at once...

People sometimes say...how come he's still alive...but he says he went public to try and protect himself...

He talks about this near the end of this video..





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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:00 PM

A retired pilot gives his testimony on a couple of sightings on C2C with Stan Friedman.   Very impressive and gives a good insight into what pilots experience and how they are compelled to silence.  Only a short clip but well worth a listen.



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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:00 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 10 October 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

You will never change my opinion of Lazar

ditto.... :)


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I've seen that entire interview with Boyd Bushman.  Many of the demonstrations he performs in it are basic physics, nothing new.
His claim that anti-gravity is as simple as jamming two magnets together that normally repel is absolute nonsense.

He didn't claim it like that...but he did show an experiment for the interview.

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Do you actually think Skunkworks would permit a retired employee to be talking about their work or handing out photos or engineering diagrams of projects they have worked on?

He has said elsewhere that he knows what he can and can't say...to stay within the law regarding his National Security Oaths.

In that short clip I posted he said he could only give Sereda the Lazar tapes because they came from a White World form...

He wasn't the only one at  Skunk Works to go public, though...there was Ben Rich as well.



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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:05 PM

View Postbee, on 10 October 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

ditto.... :)




He didn't claim it like that...but he did show an experiment for the interview.



He has said elsewhere that he knows what he can and can't say...to stay within the law regarding his National Security Oaths.

In that short clip I posted he said he could only give Sereda the Lazar tapes because they came from a White World form...

He wasn't the only one at  Skunk Works to go public, though...there was Ben Rich as well.






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What actually is the case against Lazar?  The only thing that smells a little like fish to me is that fact that he is still alive.  That can best be explained by the high position of his contacts.  

Lazar is saying nothing that a dozen or so others have not already said.  Their testimonies support each others.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:08 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 10 October 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

Do you actually think Skunkworks would permit a retired employee to be talking about their work or handing out photos or engineering diagrams of projects they have worked on?

so why did he say some of the things he said...crazy? disinformation? for a laugh?


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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:10 PM

View Postbee, on 10 October 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

I think that at some point Teller denied being connected to Lazar..?.but that isn't very surprising to me under the circumstances.

Lazar says that he did suffer harassment and was even shot at once...

People sometimes say...how come he's still alive...but he says he went public to try and protect himself...

He talks about this near the end of this video..


He signed a secrecy agreement, and then disregarded it.  Doesn't say much for his integrity to start with.
George Knapp and Coast to Coast will plug anyone with a good tabloid story.  Andre Basiago is a perfect example.

Lazar's body language continues to give him away.  Frequently glancing to his left, and shaking his head in a negative manner are dead giveaways.
Every politician takes a basic course in body language.  I worked in publicity years ago and have studied the basics and Lazar is a flop in that area.
Even the little facts he breezes over.  "The interior of the flying saucer looked like it had been molded out of plastic or wax"...I would think basic material analysis would be something research would have started with."  Many of the references he makes are non-technical in the same way a layman would describe them.
If he was really spilling Area 51 secrets, he would have been stifled by now...and I don't mean weird black-ops stuff, they would apply the secrecy agreement he signed.  As he admitted, he signed and agreement forfeiting his right to trial, which is not uncommon in such fields of work.
Also, Coast to Coast is not stupid.  They would not knowingly broadcast secret information or they would be subject to the same rigors the Julian Assange and Wikileaks is up against now.  Julian Assange isn't even American and he is in deep doo-doo.  What do you think they would do to and American who signed the agreement?

There's only one reason Lazar is allowed to speak out...it's because he is full of crap.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:18 PM

View Postzoser, on 10 October 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

  Lazar is saying nothing that a dozen or so others have not already said.  Their testimonies support each others.

I know...but he is one of those on the top of the 'hit list'.....where the internet is concerned....IMO.

Probably because he worked at S4...

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:18 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 10 October 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

Lazar's body language continues to give him away.  Frequently glancing to his left, and shaking his head in a negative manner are dead giveaways.
Every politician takes a basic course in body language.  I worked in publicity years ago and have studied the basics and Lazar is a flop in that area.

I would like to hear about more specifics in regards to body language, where in the video exactly have you seen the signs of lying?


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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:22 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 10 October 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:


There's only one reason Lazar is allowed to speak out...it's because he is full of crap.


so you say....but I disagree

you said somewhere here on the forum you were one of the 'ET crowd'.......lol..... :whistle:




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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:24 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 10 October 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

There's only one reason Lazar is allowed to speak out...it's because he is full of crap.

The same holds true for any of the 'whistle blowers'. To believe that an evil government is suppressing the truth but let's people leak info willy nilly is absurd.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:28 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 10 October 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

The same holds true for any of the 'whistle blowers'. To believe that an evil government is suppressing the truth but let's people leak info willy nilly is absurd.

dont know why evil needs to be there.....secrecy could have/is for our own good.

is can be replaced by was

the truth replaced with 'what they believed to be true

lets replaced by 'no longer prevents...

and voila you have a more plausible scenario..... :santa:


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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:40 PM

View Postquillius, on 10 October 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

I would like to hear about more specifics in regards to body language, where in the video exactly have you seen the signs of lying?

He is opening his mouth?

Sorry, couldn't help it :P

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:41 PM

View Postquillius, on 10 October 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

dont know why evil needs to be there.....secrecy could have/is for our own good.

is can be replaced by was

the truth replaced with 'what they believed to be true

lets replaced by 'no longer prevents...

and voila you have a more plausible scenario..... :santa:

Possibly. I'm not entirely sure that that is what the CT'ers are claiming though. I can surely see the need for secrecy as a matter of national security yet the CT'ers inject all sorts of absurd unsupported notions into the mix and it comes out sounding... well, absurd and more than a little 'bad sci-fi movie plot'.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 05:08 PM

View Postquillius, on 10 October 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

I would like to hear about more specifics in regards to body language, where in the video exactly have you seen the signs of lying?

Here's an excellent video on the basics of body language:


From the Bob Lazar video posted earlier:

0:35 Looks to the left when mentioning "technology doesn't exist"
1:47 watch the "puzzled" microexpression for "working in a remaote area"
4:30 he's telling the truth here describing the guards "acting like robots"...he has a positive expression and is gesturing affirmative.
5:25 negative gestures.  He never saw any such folders.
5:45 negative again.  Looks away to the left.
7:38 talking about manipulating gravity is all lies
8:10 he's affirmative when he mentions its "an advanced machine" then quickly his gestures turn negative when he talks about the "fuel"
8:45 "St. Elmo's Fire" ...he's lying
8:58  lies
9:15 talking about getting calls late at night...then gives an example of 11:30.  This is typical of fabricated stories.  Cops will tell you this all the time about interrogation.  Suspects give details of unimportant stuff, but breeze over the real meat of the story.  So he is giving details about what time he gets called in to work, but describes the interior of an alien spaceship as being "everything was round and like it was molded from wax or plastic"  Nothing technical provided because he never saw it.
9:30 Comments he has only worked at the area for 4 months, and he felt he could no longer abide by his confidentiality agreement.  Why?
This is where it really loses me.  Why would he just quit in good standing.  Instead, he breaches security 3 times and gets fired.  And three times!!  Not a chance in hell they would fly such a craft anywhere near spectators and I cannot believe Area 51 would have such lax security.
Also, he says he was hired to figure out how it worked.  Then suddenly withing 4 months they are flying it?  How the heck did they even get a pilot into it when Lazar claims it was for people half the size of adult humans...and he says it was "difficult to get around in"
I refuse to believe that within only 4 months someone could be hired in and immediately begin a job working with the most highly classified of projects, then to screw up severely in a very short period of time.  Four months is barely long enough for most employers to wave the probationary period of employment, never mind having you work on the most sensitive of areas.

I believe Lazar worked a Area 51, may have seen a vehicle such as he describes, but was never in it and never worked on it.

Maybe he was a janitorial contractor and overheard little snips of conversations in cafeterias or washrooms.

As somebody else said here in recent days..."he is a Las Vegas hustler"

Sorry, I just can't buy into his story at all.

Edited by synchronomy, 10 October 2012 - 05:10 PM.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 05:09 PM

View Postbee, on 10 October 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

so you say....but I disagree

you said somewhere here on the forum you were one of the 'ET crowd'.......lol..... :whistle:




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I am.  But I don't believe all the stories.  There's loads of these guys.

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