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#16    ealdwita

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:19 PM

View PostMistydawn, on 16 February 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

ealdy, it shouldn't just be "down to us" it shouldn't happen at all. One human being in one country, is as important and vital as another human being in another country.
Dosen't matter if it is in outer timbuck too or a town in surrey England. We are all the same and all deserve to be treated the same.

Up to a point I agree with what you've said, Misty, But I can't escape the feeling that, as a nation, the British are being bullied into doing more than their share. Standards of living are higher than those in Bulgaria or Romania in almost any other country in the EU, but Britain is the only country who doles out handfuls of
benefits to all and sundry, and seems to rate the 'Human Rights' of incomers above those of the indigenous population. This is why this country has become the EU's dustbin. Perhaps if we made it just a little harder to come here and exploit Britain then economic migrants may look elsewhere in the EU for their handouts, and the rest of Europe will have to shoulder its share of the burden.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:24 PM

It's coming & there's nothing we can do about it. Well, having said that, there is, but it means not voting for ANY of the three usual suspects at the next election.
And that is the only way.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:27 PM

View Postealdwita, on 16 February 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

Up to a point I agree with what you've said, Misty, But I can't escape the feeling that, as a nation, the British are being bullied into doing more than their share. Standards of living are higher than those in Bulgaria or Romania in almost any other country in the EU, but Britain is the only country who doles out handfuls of
benefits to all and sundry, and seems to rate the 'Human Rights' of incomers above those of the indigenous population. This is why this country has become the EU's dustbin. Perhaps if we made it just a little harder to come here and exploit Britain then economic migrants may look elsewhere in the EU for their handouts, and the rest of Europe will have to shoulder its share of the burden.

"A liberal is merely a racist xenophobic fascist who hasn't been mugged yet!"
I know we are worlds apart here ealdy, but I think, what I believe is that whilst we go on perpetuating the norm that one country is not responsible for another country and it's failings, we all fail on the very basic level of humanity, in that we are all one species, all responsible for each other, no matter where on earth we live, no mattter how rich or needy we are.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:42 PM

View PostMistydawn, on 16 February 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

I know we are worlds apart here ealdy, but I think, what I believe is that whilst we go on perpetuating the norm that one country is not responsible for another country and it's failings, we all fail on the very basic level of humanity, in that we are all one species, all responsible for each other, no matter where on earth we live, no mattter how rich or needy we are.

Let's agree to differ on this one, Misty shall we? We'll only distance each other by arguing, and nothing will be gained. I'll close with this though, if I may....If it didn't seem so one-sided (some countries continually giving and others continually taking, with no discernable benefit to either one), then perhaps I could look more favourably on aid-giving. As it is, I see us continually being taken for mugs.

I suppose it's because I've spent the greater part of my life fighting other nations! (Or at least, defending Britain from them.) Sometimes though, I wonder why I bothered!

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:42 PM

I think I mentioned this in another topic about germany already. And yes I do believe that Germany and the UK are sitting in the same ship here. I am all for helping others but you should be able to help yourself first. And if the others outwage the nationals than something is wrong imo. Like I said before anybody who is qualified and able to give back to society should be welcomed but I certainly dont think we should open our arms and most important our money to just anybody without getting anything back in return. There is only so much help you can give before you cut your own arm away and than what? Who is going to help you?


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 10:22 PM

View Postealdwita, on 16 February 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

Let's agree to differ on this one, Misty shall we? We'll only distance each other by arguing, and nothing will be gained. I'll close with this though, if I may....If it didn't seem so one-sided (some countries continually giving and others continually taking, with no discernable benefit to either one), then perhaps I could look more favourably on aid-giving. As it is, I see us continually being taken for mugs.

I suppose it's because I've spent the greater part of my life fighting other nations! (Or at least, defending Britain from them.) Sometimes though, I wonder why I bothered!

View Postealdwita, on 16 February 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

Let's agree to differ on this one, Misty shall we? We'll only distance each other by arguing, and nothing will be gained. I'll close with this though, if I may....If it didn't seem so one-sided (some countries continually giving and others continually taking, with no discernable benefit to either one), then perhaps I could look more favourably on aid-giving. As it is, I see us continually being taken for mugs.

I suppose it's because I've spent the greater part of my life fighting other nations! (Or at least, defending Britain from them.) Sometimes though, I wonder why I bothered!

I do get where you are coming from ealdy, honest I do.
To fight for your country and uphold it's dreams I admire you and respect you.
Yes, we should leave it there.
Not because you are right and I am wrong, or I am right and you are wrong, but because we both know that compromise is sometimes all that is left to us if we are to live together in peace.
Regardless, of all the stuff between us, I respect your oinions and I hope you can respect mine.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:31 AM

View Postyearofthehater, on 16 February 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

And those politicain idiots wonder why disillusioned people born in the UK (doesn't count for anything anymore) turn to the far right. If I was more paranoid I'd wonder if polluting this country with wave and wave of immigrants was some kind of plan to cause unrest in communities and to futher marginalise members of the British working class or (underclass). Of course the immigrants are always portrayed as the worthy poverty sticken who'll work for absoultely nothing and the British unemployed should be ashamed for not subjecting ourselves to something akin to slavery even if the fact is that immigrant workers are usually favoured over British ones anyway for lots of jobs.
I agree.
It just gives an excuse to nutters like nick griffin.
I don't think they should be allowed here, we have plenty of poverty stricken people here who need jobs


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:12 PM

Tony Blair said only 5000 to 13000 Polish would go to the UK when the barriers were lifted!!! 600,000 have arrived!! Does anyone seriously doubt that it will not be millions of Roma and Bulgarians by next year??

Cameron does not have the Cajones to go up against the EU, but if he called a referendum in the UK on this specific issue and the referendum said "NO" then the EU would be powerless to fine the nation... Anyone thought of starting this demand in the UK, getting signatures etc?? What about Political Parties starting this?

Is there not an opportunity on the UK.gov website to start a petition, whereby if 50,000 people support the motion then it MUST be discussed in Open Parliamentary debate

Edited by keithisco, 20 February 2013 - 06:14 PM.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:21 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 20 February 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

Tony Blair said only 5000 to 13000 Polish would go to the UK when the barriers were lifted!!! 600,000 have arrived!! Does anyone seriously doubt that it will not be millions of Roma and Bulgarians by next year??

Cameron does not have the Cajones to go up against the EU, but if he called a referendum in the UK on this specific issue and the referendum said "NO" then the EU would be powerless to fine the nation... Anyone thought of starting this demand in the UK, getting signatures etc?? What about Political Parties starting this?

Is there not an opportunity on the UK.gov website to start a petition, whereby if 50,000 people support the motion then it MUST be discussed in Open Parliamentary debate

it was debated just before the half term break, i get the sense the politicians are fully aware of the issue. more so than we think. i have a feeling something, will be done.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 07:50 AM

I'll be the first to admit that Romanian women are beautiful but there comes a point when simply allowing women into your bar... uhmmm, country is conflicting with National safety standards.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:20 PM

View Poststevewinn, on 20 February 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

it was debated just before the half term break, i get the sense the politicians are fully aware of the issue. more so than we think. i have a feeling something, will be done.

I wouldn't put money on it Steve, really...

Perhaps change the EU Rules, and let each Nation Charge - Back the Social Security payments to the Country of Origin of their immigrants who are claiming benefits in the foreign country. That would soon wake the Nations up if they were lumbered with a Bill 5 times higher they themselves would have to pay pay if the immigrants had stayed... Actually, I think that is a great idea :yes: :clap:


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 09:38 AM

View Postealdwita, on 16 February 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

Up to a point I agree with what you've said, Misty, But I can't escape the feeling that, as a nation, the British are being bullied into doing more than their share. Standards of living are higher than those in Bulgaria or Romania in almost any other country in the EU, but Britain is the only country who doles out handfuls of
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I agree. We are always expected to take in everyone. Why doesn't anyone else take in these people? I also think they should have very strict rules on immigrants.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 09:42 AM

View Postkeithisco, on 20 February 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

Tony Blair said only 5000 to 13000 Polish would go to the UK when the barriers were lifted!!! 600,000 have arrived!! Does anyone seriously doubt that it will not be millions of Roma and Bulgarians by next year??

Cameron does not have the Cajones to go up against the EU, but if he called a referendum in the UK on this specific issue and the referendum said "NO" then the EU would be powerless to fine the nation... Anyone thought of starting this demand in the UK, getting signatures etc?? What about Political Parties starting this?

Is there not an opportunity on the UK.gov website to start a petition, whereby if 50,000 people support the motion then it MUST be discussed in Open Parliamentary debate
I think that the media are probably exaggerating the numbers. 29 million are meant to be coming here now. I doubt that, but I do think millions will try come here and hope they don't. due to the fact they won't have anywhere to live.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 06:29 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 21 February 2013 - 06:20 PM, said:

I wouldn't put money on it Steve, really...

Perhaps change the EU Rules, and let each Nation Charge - Back the Social Security payments to the Country of Origin of their immigrants who are claiming benefits in the foreign country. That would soon wake the Nations up if they were lumbered with a Bill 5 times higher they themselves would have to pay pay if the immigrants had stayed... Actually, I think that is a great idea :yes: :clap:

thinking about it i wouldnt put money on it myself really, - i seen on 'europe today' the Bulgerian / Romanian MEP's have started a war of words with the British government, they are not happy at what the British government have been saying about extending the current conditions. which limit their movement to the UK.

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