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[supervike]

There have been 2 bodies found in the woods, apparently by hunters.

No more info right now.

http://wcfcourier.co...19bb2963f4.html

[regi]

Oh, God. That news gave me goosebumps.

Keep us posted, supervike, and thank you for the update.

[supervike]

Yeah, not the news any of us wanted to hear.

[supervike]

It has been confirmed now, the bodies found were the cousins.

The bodies were found in a small county park, about 20 miles north of where they were taken.

I hope they find the SOB responsible.

[and then]

As sad as this is at least their families can bury them before Christmas - at least they know they are at rest.  I agree that whoever did this needs to be punished to the fullest extent.  What kind of human kills children?

[regi]

supervike, on 06 December 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

It has been confirmed now, the bodies found were the cousins.

The bodies were found in a small county park, about 20 miles north of where they were taken.

I hope they find the SOB responsible.

20 miles north...I haven't seen a distance reported, but that the direction was northeast.

All this time later and then subjected to the elements of the environment (the ME should be able to determine how long the bodies were there) diminishes evidence, but there's still hope the scene will offer some clue(s) about who's responsible. I certainly hope it does because it doesn't sound like authorities have had anything to go on to date as far as a suspect. I don't know if there's even been a POI.
You know, unless it was someone visiting, or a transient, in a town of that population, it must be someone no one would suspect.
I'm looking forward to what the ME can determine, and what info is gathered from the discovery site.

[supervike]

Yeah, you're right, that park is definately north-east.  I've never been to this park, but I've passed the signs to it many times, so I know roughly where it is.    I think the Wapsipinicon river (we just call it the Wapsi) runs right through or by there.  I'm pretty familar with the Wapsi and the woods north of that area, so I'm assuming the area is similar (lots of trees, prone to flooding, etc).

I too am hoping for some solid evidence.

It's made me think that the person (or persons) that did this are local, or at least very familar with the area.  That park isn't widely known, other than to locals.

[regi]

supervike, on 06 December 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

It's made me think that the person (or persons) that did this are local, or at least very familar with the area.  That park isn't widely known, other than to locals.

You once said this was occurring in your backyard...well, it looks like you have a child murderer in your backyard.

I studied the area on google maps and noticed that Seven Bridges is the northernmost of the several parks located along the Wispi.
Do you happen know why some of the parks are called "access county" and others simply "county" ?
The most obvious thing about Seven Bridges is that it's the furthest...and most secluded of all the others.
I agree with you; I think the perp had to know about that park.

Edited by regi, 06 December 2012 - 07:12 PM.

[supervike]

Sick as it sounds, I'm hoping that it still has something to do with the father of Lyric, and his drug issues.  Not that it makes it any better for those little girls, but the prospect of a complete stranger doing this is more troublesome to me.

Not sure why the differences in 'access county' or 'county' are.  I'm just guessing that it has to do with which vehicles are allowed.  Maybe the 'access county' meants only county workers/Department of Natural Resources type folks can use those roads...ie not the general public.

[regi]

Yeah, that re: "access", it must be something along those lines....maybe it indicates there's vehicle access to the river.

Re: something to do with the father's drug issues, do you mean you'd rather that be the scenario because of a possible motive?

[and then]

I just can't shake the sadness over this atrocity.  These children must have been terrified before they died at the hands of this person - whoever it was.  I believe they are at rest now though.... so much evil in the world that seems to seek out the most innocent.

[Aaronsmom]

I just heard something very unsettling on Jane Valez Mirchell's HLN program. A reporter for the network on the scene quoted some inside information (local LE?), which, if reliable, offers a reason the police are so sure the bodies are the missing cousins, aside from the fact the cadavers are of children around the sizes of the missing girls.  The "inside" info quoted was that LE thinks the bodies haven't been there since the girls disappeared--meaning the girls may have been kept alive somewhere for an extended period (possibly until recently?), or another possibility is the bodies were stored somewhere that would retard or prevent decomposition.  Why does anyone think that? Well, this reporter indicated the reason LE is so confidant of the IDs of the bodies could be the bodies were not so decomposed that they weren't recognizable--IOW, the bodies were preserved enough to be confidently IDd on sight--that they are recognizable. Wow, what a horrible thought. I have no idea how reliable the source is. The report giving the story made it sound kind of sketchy. Did any of you hear this report, or see it somewhere. The thought that these young children might have been held captive until possibly recently is chilling...and horrifying to imagine. I think I'd rather believe the story turns out to be totally unfounded.

I know there's a lot of speculation about Lyric's father, the druggie. I don't know...I certainly see why people would suspect him. But something tells me it doesn't involve him. Why would a druggie kill his own daughter AND her cousin? And if it was a dealer or some other drug connection, what would they get out of kidnapping...and murdering...these two girls? It kind of doesn't make sense.

[regi]

Hi, Aaronsmom. I agree re: the father, and if anyone was trying to prevent the father from plea bargaining, then I think it would have been the father missing and then later found in the woods.
After abducting the children, the father would have even more reason to point the finger.

How about that speculation re: the quick ID?
I also saw the JVM program, and you're right to question the reliability. I keep in mind that that's coming from "police sources", and was not released at the PC this afternoon.
I don't think it's reliable at this point, but you know, even if the ME confirms it, authorities might not release it because they said at the PC that there was info from the scene that only the killer would know and for that reason, they wouldn't release it.
I was thinking it was a combination of circumstances which led to the quick ID.
I mean, two small frames, female clothing- clothing probably ID'ed- 25 miles from abduction site...

Yes, it's chilling and horrifying to contemplate that the girls could have been kept alive for anywhere near this length of time, but they also speculate that they could have been kept somewhere to prevent decomposition.

[supervike]

regi, on 06 December 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

Re: something to do with the father's drug issues, do you mean you'd rather that be the scenario because of a possible motive?

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say.  I just can't figure out how to put that in words.  

I missed the HLN program, but that revelation is horrific...But I too will take it with a grain of salt, until I hear some more reliable source.

[Aaronsmom]

Yes, regi, I too am dubious about a tie-in to the drug addiction of Lyric's father. You are right: why would some criminal mess w/ abducting two little kids to keep the father (of only one of the girls) from testifying against some drug lord? Why not off the guy directly? And why involve Lyric's cousin? She's no blood relative. I don't see why the other child's disappearance would motivate druggie daddy (and uncle) to go quiet on them.