Unusual brain condions and precognition

[Lakewolf Whitecrow]

An informal survey of people that have unusual abilities connected to certain brain conditions have been making the rounds in certain medical blogs.

I think it would be a worthwhile endeavour to voluntarily recruit some of these people for a double-blind, random-control study. Since all studies of this kind tend to attract military intelligence types, I believe it would be appropriate to assign numbers and letters to the subjects, leaving out any personal information for a period of at least 20 years.

I am aware that, for the 20-year cloak of anonymity, it would not be considered a "scientific" study; however, I can state with 99% certainty that the results would be verifiable and replicable.

I know that I'm leaving out vital information; however, in the absence of consent from those with whom I've communicated, I believe it to be a necessary precaution.

My question is this:

Would it be possible to train these individuals to identify and prevent certain man-made disasters in hopes of blocking certain "planned occurrences" for the purpose of defusing the effects of these "occurrences"?

Edited April 24, 2015 by Lakewolf

[George Ford]

voluntarily

[Podo]

Psychic abilities aren't real so I'd say no, it isn't possible.

Unless you have data backing up precognition. In which case, congratulations for making one of the most relevant discoveries in human history.

[Lakewolf Whitecrow]

I do.

It's buried in my medical file.

Narcoleptics as a group seem to have a predisposition to precognitive dreams that accurately fortell future events.

[White Unicorn]

An informal survey of people that have unusual abilities connected to certain brain conditions have been making the rounds in certain medical blogs.

I think it would be a worthwhile endeavour to voluntarily recruit some of these people for a double-blind, random-control study. Since all studies of this kind tend to attract military intelligence types, I believe it would be appropriate to assign numbers and letters to the subjects, leaving out any personal information for a period of at least 20 years.

I am aware that, for the 20-year cloak of anonymity, it would not be considered a "scientific" study; however, I can state with 99% certainty that the results would be verifiable and replicable.

I know that I'm leaving out vital information; however, in the absence of consent from those with whom I've communicated, I believe it to be a necessary precaution.

My question is this:

Would it be possible to train these individuals to identify and prevent certain man-made disasters in hopes of blocking certain "planned occurrences" for the purpose of defusing the effects of these "occurrences"?

Dreams of precognition that are verifiable are easily proven by a documentation prior to occurrances and witnesses. Anything of this nature is not set in stone, so yes it could be altered. These kind of dreams seem to be an accumulation of outside factors picked up on by the dreamer's conscious from the subconscious. Subconscious has all the innate knowledge of natural sciences and man's waking cognition. It is aware of other senses that we are not during a regular state of consciousness. If we understand how it communicates to us then we can receive the precognition messages correctly. There are certain brain functions and genetic differences that have already been studied in a research enviroment.

Earlier on, many of our own desires are outwaying the true perceptions so they are not accurate. I think we are given the outcome by the true precognition only within a certain time frame. If no action is taken they will run their course and happen. Influences can change by peoples actions at any given time so there are actually alternate paths to precognition which are also revealed. Other times a precognition is just a way for us to learn and how to verify when we are receiving a true precognition as it realates to reality vs just fantasia dream. By this method some people can learn the differences and don't really need to be trained.

My answer to your question "Would it be possible to train these individuals to identify and prevent certain man-made disasters in hopes of blocking certain "planned occurrences" for the purpose of defusing the effects of these "occurrences"?"

Beware voluntary study is NOT a reality in research once certain groups see results!

Use what you are shown to take action but by another method.

Like I said, precogniton only comes to those who CAN have an influence to actually change the outcome, so I would think each individual would have to do his own part in the area he has influence over to change it. Together many unrelated people and factors can change the planned occurrences, the ones with precognition have the advantage. The advantage could be lost to the wrong researchers and then there would be no advantage!

Edited April 28, 2015 by White Unicorn

[Lakewolf Whitecrow]

I had a recurring dream from 1970-1972 where I was above the Twin Towers. As I watched them collapse, a voice said:

"These towers will fall, but not for the reason given. This collapse is a prelude to a preplanned war."

Same exact dream with the same exact message.

After Three Mile Island (I lived in Harrisburg, PA & worked outside at the time), I told my dream about the Towers to anyone who would listen. They thought I was a little "off" at the time.

I've had other precognitive dreams that are recorded in my medical records (classified as "recurring nightmares") that I will not share, as they are of a sensitive nature. None of the "major" events are alterable, though I can warn people I know that they're coming, & can provide a window of about two years (except when the "voice" gives me an indication of the month and year in which these events will occur)

For a long time, I told myself that I had a small gift that I could use to help people, and comforted myself by believing that the major dreams were a sign of functional psychosis---till 9/11, when that comforting illusion was obliterated. This is NOT a fun thing to have, but I believe I have it for a very good reason...whatever that may be.

[White Unicorn]

I had a recurring dream from 1970-1972 where I was above the Twin Towers. As I watched them collapse, a voice said:

"These towers will fall, but not for the reason given. This collapse is a prelude to a preplanned war."

Same exact dream with the same exact message.

After Three Mile Island (I lived in Harrisburg, PA & worked outside at the time), I told my dream about the Towers to anyone who would listen. They thought I was a little "off" at the time.

I've had other precognitive dreams that are recorded in my medical records (classified as "recurring nightmares") that I will not share, as they are of a sensitive nature. None of the "major" events are alterable, though I can warn people I know that they're coming, & can provide a window of about two years (except when the "voice" gives me an indication of the month and year in which these events will occur)

For a long time, I told myself that I had a small gift that I could use to help people, and comforted myself by believing that the major dreams were a sign of functional psychosis---till 9/11, when that comforting illusion was obliterated. This is NOT a fun thing to have, but I believe I have it for a very good reason...whatever that may be.

I know what you mean about some of them not being alterable. There seems to be a point in time when a major precognition thing will have to happen because of all the causes already being in place. But still their are the smaller events that go with the same time line can be altered for better or worse.

I told my dream about the Towers to anyone who would listen. They thought I was a little "off" at the time.

This is one reason why people who have the precognition get in trouble. I mean when the right people know you knew they think you were involved and not just psychic! Be very careful.

Sounds like you have the gift and the "curse" of trying to know exactly how to use it, I feel for you.

Edited April 28, 2015 by White Unicorn

[Lakewolf Whitecrow]

Thanks so much, White Unicorn. The amount of gratitude I feel for your understanding is inexpressable.

[Use your brain]

Making predictions is encouraged on these forums from what I've seen. Go make a prediction thread with a few you have that you think are the most plausible, it would be fascinating to all of us here if they came true. Really on the dot true, not "true" like has happened here a few times... if you have to use obscure math or put more pieces together than a jigsaw puzzle then it doesn't count

If you are convinced that you have a gift and you know for a fact that you would be proven right then please don't let being afraid of the outcome stop you. Go get a VPN and make a different account to make the post with so you would have total anonymity and you would receive no backlash from it if you are worried about that. (if that is against forum rules I apologize, but would you not agree that it would be worth it )

Edited May 10, 2015 by Use your brain

[thedemon]

From wiki, i thought it was interesting. The science behind mediums and psychics.

In a series of fake séance experiments (Wiseman et al. 2003) paranormal believers and disbelievers were suggested by an actor that a table was levitating when, in fact, it remained stationary. After the seance, approximately one third of the participants incorrectly reported that the table had moved. The results showed a greater percentage of believers reporting that the table had moved. In another experiment the believers had also reported that a handbell had moved when it had remained stationary and expressed their belief that the fake séances contained genuine paranormal phenomena. The experiments strongly supported the notion that in the séance room, believers are more suggestible than disbelievers for suggestions that are consistent with their belief in paranormal phenomena.^[41]

http://en.wikipedia....ific_skepticism

So many people get taken advantage of by these types of scum, who pretend they're contacting someone's loved one, taking full advantage of the "victim's" naive and gullible nature. I really despise people who do these types of readings. The 'future' readings are more harmless, but is still deceit. Much of it is simply psychological. It's fraud and should be illegal in all places.

Edited May 10, 2015 by xxxdemonxxx

[Nucular]

An informal survey of people that have unusual abilities connected to certain brain conditions have been making the rounds in certain medical blogs.

Hi Lakewolf, nice to meet you and sorry I'm late to your thread

This sounds like the sort of thing I'm way into; do you have any links to said blogs to help me catch up? I don't have as much time for my interests as I'd like these days!

I think it would be a worthwhile endeavour to voluntarily recruit some of these people

Some of your experiences sound different to mine. But in my experience of recruiting participants for psychological research, I've very rarely come across a way of doing so which isn't voluntary for the participants (ethically speaking)... though I have known a few reluctant recruiters

for a double-blind, random-control study. Since all studies of this kind tend to attract military intelligence types, I believe it would be appropriate to assign numbers and letters to the subjects, leaving out any personal information for a period of at least 20 years.

I am aware that, for the 20-year cloak of anonymity, it would not be considered a "scientific" study

Again, unless I'm misunderstanding you, I'm not sure I'm aware of many studies in the social sciences which don't have participant anonymity at the very heart of their design - and most ethics boards I've been in front of would demand permanent anonymity (including the destruction of personally identifiable information after an agreed period of time, usually 5-10 years). I'm sure you can imagine the various methodological advantages of this; I can't think of all that many disadvantages. What did you have in mind?

however, I can state with 99% certainty that the results would be verifiable and replicable.

That certainly does sound intriguing. Though I won't do so, I'll just alert you that there are some around these parts who might call you on your stated '99%' figure - I'm pretty sure you mean it as a figure of speech rather than a statistical assertion, but that stuff can't half derail an otherwise perfectly cordial discussion!

However, you clearly use the terms "verifiable and replicable" with precision. Are you able to say any more about the verifiability and replicability of the results?

I know that I'm leaving out vital information; however, in the absence of consent from those with whom I've communicated, I believe it to be a necessary precaution.

My question is this:

Would it be possible to train these individuals to identify and prevent certain man-made disasters in hopes of blocking certain "planned occurrences" for the purpose of defusing the effects of these "occurrences"?

Honestly, this is the sort of question I love to address, but your caution in supplying any more helpful details (not, I repeat, of participants of any study or survey, though you have every right to disclose more of your own involvement if you wish) means I feel entirely unable to do so. I'd hugely appreciate any more details about this stuff that you'd feel able to supply without breaking any confidences?

I found your response to Podo's challenge:

Unless you have data backing up precognition. In which case, congratulations for making one of the most relevant discoveries in human history.

... to be pleasantly direct:

I do.

It's buried in my medical file.

Narcoleptics as a group seem to have a predisposition to precognitive dreams that accurately fortell future events.

... but I'm sure you appreciate that there's quite a lot in your succinct statement and subsequent anecdote that would require further information for anyone to take with less than a large pinch of salt.

I genuinely applaud your commitment to research ethics, but honestly, in my experience there's much more information you might be able to supply, without compromising your integrity, which might give we here on this forum a little more to discuss - and I'd love to hear it. And without some more info (I can be specific about what would help if you like) I'm not sure anyone can really tell you anything you don't already know.

[Emma_Acid]

I do.

There is literally no point in saying this unless you can prove it.

[Lakewolf Whitecrow]

Alien Abducter said:

<There is literally no point in saying this unless you can prove it.>

As I said before, it's buried in my medical records.

I find it curious that,in an unexplained mysteries group, that the idea of precognition ability is dismissed out of hand, while such abilities have been proven to exist time & time again by studies and proof given years after the prediction was made.

What (if anything) are you afraid of?

[Grey Area]

while such abilities have been proven to exist time & time again by studies

Have I missed something? When were pre-cognitive abilities proven?

[Nucular]

Have I missed something? When were pre-cognitive abilities proven?

I also missed the part where anything got "dismissed out of hand" on this thread. Emma_Acid was characteristically terse in her post, but it seemed a reasonable response to Lakewolf's assertion of having proof. Many hereabouts make such claims, and to my knowledge none has been forthcoming.

The conversation usually goes:

Person 1: I have proof of XYZ!

Person 2: Have you? Can you show me?

Person 1: No.

What (if anything) are you afraid of?

What makes you think anyone's afraid of anything in this thread, Lakewolf? Most people on here - on any end of the belief spectrum - will happily explain their views if asked honestly, but that's always hard when first one has to dismiss a leading question laden with presumption.

Anyway, in my earlier post on this thread I asked you a few questions, and made a couple of suggestions, about what I took to be the main point of the thread you started. Have I misunderstood you?

Edited May 18, 2015 by Nucular

[spacelizard667]

An informal survey of people that have unusual abilities connected to certain brain conditions have been making the rounds in certain medical blogs.

I think it would be a worthwhile endeavour to voluntarily recruit some of these people for a double-blind, random-control study. Since all studies of this kind tend to attract military intelligence types, I believe it would be appropriate to assign numbers and letters to the subjects, leaving out any personal information for a period of at least 20 years.

I am aware that, for the 20-year cloak of anonymity, it would not be considered a "scientific" study; however, I can state with 99% certainty that the results would be verifiable and replicable.

I know that I'm leaving out vital information; however, in the absence of consent from those with whom I've communicated, I believe it to be a necessary precaution.

My question is this:

Would it be possible to train these individuals to identify and prevent certain man-made disasters in hopes of blocking certain "planned occurrences" for the purpose of defusing the effects of these "occurrences"?

By you're saying "the results would be verifiable and replicable" I am supposing that you mean 'consistent'. What sort of experiment format did you have in mind exactly that you think would produce the necessary convincing data. It does nothing to merely suggest that it should be done.

Anonymity for twenty years IF you're hoping to attract NSA or CIA Black Opps from their psychic unit to your study and it's very highly unlikely that they will come around; otherwise there can be a lot of chaff over the funding for your experiment. Unless of course you have fifty thousand dollars stashed in your closet, then researchers can think about talking turkey with you. There is too much a lack for genuine enthusiasm for the research into precognition, I agree with you, that psychic ability does crop up from time to time. However there is also much negative publicity over delusional folk beliefs, and fraud. But nobody who willingly participates in an esp research study should have to hide their identity for twenty years.

It insults my intellect for anybody to assume that the matter has already been all cut and dried due to the skeptical frevor over spiritual debunking done since the late 1800s into the first half of the 1900s, nothing significant has been attempted since then, so it seems.

[Podo]

Alien Abducter said:

<There is literally no point in saying this unless you can prove it.>

As I said before, it's buried in my medical records.

I find it curious that,in an unexplained mysteries group, that the idea of precognition ability is dismissed out of hand, while such abilities have been proven to exist time & time again by studies and proof given years after the prediction was made.

What (if anything) are you afraid of?

Then share it. If you have actual proof, you have to provide it or nobody will ever believe you. The same goes for your so-called proof of precognition; nobody here has ever heard of it, so please provide sources that prove precognition. If you cannot, then you are likely lying, or are simply mistaken. I'm willing to entertain the latter over the former.

We're not afraid of anything, we simply do not accept the stories of random people at face value without proof. You have made an extraordinary claim, which requires extraordinary evidence. Everyone on these forums is willing to believe you, if only you'll give us a reason to believe you.

[Starhunter]

It has been my interest from time to time to find out if the brain has those abilities, and the answer is positively yes.

I have met several people in my life who have much higher instincts about the future, distant or imminent.

Among them are about 10 people from three different Australian Aboriginal tribes.

On more than one occasion, several people were witnesses to predictions. The longest prediction was two years, - obscure, yet mentioned several times over the two years with great reassurance, and against popular opinions, and circumstances came true. I can't say who or what, because it had to do with political outcomes.

But I can give several other stories.

I have also taken note of people who have had dreams of the future or past, and remembered basically what they are.

The most interesting are those who give details of the future which did not exist in their time - globally, and have come true affter four decades with accuracy. Having said that, it is typical of the dreamer not to know why they had the dream, since it meant nothing at the time and nothing when it came true. The collections I have are fascinating, which will blow your mind if you heard them.

The best test is to tell a dream or premonition of the future now, when it was first dreamed of, and then proven in the future.

There are a few which are about five years away. We want some closer ones to observe.

But if you don't want to, I understand completely, for a number of reasons, the hagglers really don't want to know, and should not know either.

[spacelizard667]

Then share it. If you have actual proof, you have to provide it or nobody will ever believe you. The same goes for your so-called proof of precognition; nobody here has ever heard of it, so please provide sources that prove precognition. If you cannot, then you are likely lying, or are simply mistaken. I'm willing to entertain the latter over the former.

We're not afraid of anything, we simply do not accept the stories of random people at face value without proof. You have made an extraordinary claim, which requires extraordinary evidence. Everyone on these forums is willing to believe you, if only you'll give us a reason to believe you.

Since professional researchers are willing to track down leads and might find it very difficult to gather evidence 'on the fly' then how the hell do you think anybody (meaning just anybody) can be required to do that ? I am still open to any practical suggestions as to exactly how that should be, and can be accomplished. Most people are not going to claim to be doing their own research, that doesn't mean, or prove, that their thinking is irrational (or mistaken) even though they have had psychiatric tests for making 'extraordinary claims'. A big clue, that is why it is called 'parapsychology', and IS in and of itself a branch of psychology. The other skeptic alternative is to simply say that since there seems no proof of either a lack for critical thinking or irrational beliefs (in many ways, neither) then they must be lying. Not necessarily so, MRI brain scans don't lie and neither do neurologists.

Edited May 31, 2015 by spacelizard667

[Podo]

Since professional researchers are willing to track down leads and might find it very difficult to gather evidence 'on the fly' then how the hell do you think anybody (meaning just anybody) can be required to do that ? I am still open to any practical suggestions as to exactly how that should be, and can be accomplished. Most people are not going to claim to be doing their own research, that doesn't mean, or prove, that their thinking is irrational (or mistaken) even though they have had psychiatric tests for making 'extraordinary claims'. A big clue, that is why it is called 'parapsychology', and IS in and of itself a branch of psychology. The other skeptic alternative is to simply say that since there seems no proof of either a lack for critical thinking or irrational beliefs (in many ways, neither) then they must be lying. Not necessarily so, MRI brain scans don't lie and neither do neurologists.

He is required to provide proof because he is claiming to have it. He is directly saying that he has actual proof; how he got it, I don't yet care about. If this so-called proof is in his medical records, he has the information and can share it. If he does not do so, we have no reason to believe him. This is how information works. The how is up to the one making the claim, not those receiving it. I will not accept incredible claims at face value without proof or evidence, no matter what they are.

[spacelizard667]

I do not see your point because there is no pressing need to make you believe anything. And you are entirely wrong in your assumption that the information in question must be shared. It is considered intellectual property and it can be verified to be existant, sufficiently and professionally accurate, and medically factual. If you can verify that you yourself are qualified as a certified neurologist you can inquire about it, otherwise forget about your judging others as if they need to impress you first. Nothing needs to be 'claimed' to the public only that these files are valid and existant. And that you can be held to the letter of that which is said about the matter even though you seem to think that you are the dominant deciding factor you are not. As I see it, the topic is already open for discussion and it is completely fair game for free interpretation. So ramble on, your authoritarian badge is showing.

Edited May 31, 2015 by spacelizard667

[Uncle Sam]

People can make predictions of the future based on logic, math, and firm understanding of human nature. When you have large groups of people, they tend to follow each other and become predictable while on the other hand a individual is harder to discern what they are going to do. You can predict the rise and fall of nations, expansion of technology and machines, or future of mankind based on predictions that pertain larges groups. Individual predictions aka personal predictions are much harder.

[Lakewolf Whitecrow]

If I start "making predictions" here, I'll be dead in two years, max.

This ability seems to be genetic, at least in my case. So-called "paranormal abilities" seem to run in my family, starting in puberty.

I was basically looking for others with the same ability/defect that I seem to have.

Why do I also consider it a defect? Because anything that can shorten your lifespan is a defect. Before I get pounced on, I don't think my "gift" is all that unusual...it's just that most people keep mum about it.

[spacelizard667]

Do you mind if I ask, is this ability of prediction something which happens spontaneously or do you light candles and incense first, or seance for it ? Do you make spirit contact or is it a personal ability of your own without aid from other entities ? Can you do this at will or do you have to wait at intervals for it to occur occasionally ?

[Aftermath]

If I start "making predictions" here, I'll be dead in two years, max.

It is more difficult for me to believe that you will be dead within two years if you list your predictions here than that you have the ability to see into the future.

I believe you... I am interested in hearing more about what predictions you can make and vetting the results. There is a certain degree of anonymity here, so please post at least one.