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Why do you lose 21 grams when you die?

the soul is what controls us, what say u

 Started by wrathofkahn , Jan 09 2005 02:37 AM

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#1    wrathofkahn

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 02:37 AM

How come when a person dies, 21 grams is lifted from their weight?  Don't you find that a little eerie?  Lemme hear what you guys and gals have to say!  blink.gif

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 02:41 AM

[quote=wrathofkahn,Jan 9 2005, 03:37 AM]
How come when a person dies, 21 grams is lifted from their weight?  Don't you find that a little eerie?  Lemme hear what you guys and gals have to say!  blink.gif


Would the air the we breath and the the movement of are organs make up the 24 grams?

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 02:44 AM

no
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 02:45 AM

what about the waste (poop and stuff!) the body expels when someone dies? Does that count?
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 02:49 AM

QUOTE(nate0192 @ Jan 9 2005, 03:44 AM)
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If NO is it our spirit?

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 02:51 AM

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If NO is it our spirit?


that's what the people that recorded that think it is.
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 02:53 AM

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21 grams is lifted from their weight


I'd never heard that. What is your source? And please don't send me to some website, list a creditable source.

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 03:10 AM

Here's some info on it.

Not saying I believe it, but it's interesting.  mellow.gif

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One critic of Macdougall’s work was fellow Massachusetts doctor, Augustus P. Clarke. Clarke accused MacDougall of failing to take into account the sudden rise in body temperature at death, when the blood stops being air-cooled via its circulation through the lungs. Clarke believed that the sweating and moisture evaporation caused by the sudden rise in body temperature would account for both the drop in the humans’ weight and the dogs’ failure to register a weight loss. Dogs cool themselves by panting, not sweating.


There ya go. There's your explanation.

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 06:16 AM

After having the unfortunate events of having many close friends pass away from all sorts of causes, the weight of the carcass, as I was told by collegues and doctors was that at the time of death (being mainly of natural causes but also any other case) the exact amount of weight in grams lost was 21grams.  I find this really creepy and also very intriguing.  I don't have any websites, just from my own investigations and knowledge of studies.  

Does anyone believe in souls?  Not to get religious  innocent.gif  but I think there is something within our bodies that controls the 90% of our brains.  We're like living batteries (matrix ref), producing as much electricity to run ourselves, but also to interfere with our environment.  There's a reason why there aren't any beings like us, we are truly a work of art!    alien.gif

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 06:30 AM

QUOTE(HolyDevil2053 @ Jan 8 2005, 06:45 PM)
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The body relieves itself when it dies? huh.gif  blink.gif  I've heard that sometimes gases are released (burps and farts).... mellow.gif
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 06:39 AM

QUOTE(Curiosity @ Jan 8 2005, 10:30 PM)
QUOTE(HolyDevil2053 @ Jan 8 2005, 06:45 PM)
what about the waste (poop and stuff!) the body expels when someone dies? Does that count?

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The body relieves itself when it dies? huh.gif  blink.gif  I've heard that sometimes gases are released (burps and farts).... mellow.gif

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Well not to get too graphic, but yes when someone dies and all of the muscles of the body completely relax things can happen...if they have a full bladder when they are dying it isn't like they would be able to keep holding it...

As far as the 21 grams; my understanding was that the study was done on metal tables(to catch anything that might escape...) that were attached by very precise scales.

IIRC there were either seven or nine deaths that were observed under these conditions; but not all of them produced the 21 gram change at the time of death.

My take on it was that the guy thought he was really onto something, but he could never get the verifiable data to back it up...I will have ot see if I still have the website that has a breakdown of the study where the 21 gram theory comes from...
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 07:23 AM

interesting...I didn't know that they weighed all that "extra" stuff too...eeww.
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 07:47 AM

Well yeah...21 grams is just the weight of about 21 small paperclips, it is a very small amount of weight in comparison to the mass of the human body. If they didn't weigh the...extra stuff there would be big fluctuations in weight...

They would have to get everything to be sure that they could differentiate the 21 grams they were looking for...
Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 07:49 AM

My question is...when is the comparison weight taken? I mean...the before weight of someone that is about to die/ to the actual death weight...when is that done?
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 07:54 AM

I don't think the spirit weighs anything... heh.
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