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[stevemagegod]

http://video.foxnews.../1904937787001/

I happened to catch this news story today. I find it very interesting that he claims that he did indeed find "Proof" of coverups. I am really hoping he leaks this to the internet. Non-Terrestial Officers Google Search should be interesting.

http://www.guardian....ekend7.weekend2

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He sat in his girlfriend Tamsin's aunt's house in Crouch End, and he began to hack. He downloaded a program that searched for computers that used the Windows operating system, scanned addresses and pinpointed administrator user names that had no passwords. Basically, what Gary was looking for - and found time and again - were network administrators within high levels of the US government and military establishments who hadn't bothered to give themselves passwords. That's how he got in.

Really Pentagon No Passwords? Thats basic Security 101

Edited by stevemagegod, 17 October 2012 - 02:18 AM.

[synchronomy]

stevemagegod, on 17 October 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

http://video.foxnews.../1904937787001/

I happened to catch this news story today. I find it very interesting that he claims that he did indeed find "Proof" of coverups. I am really hoping he leaks this to the internet. Non-Terrestial Officers Google Search should be interesting.

His hacking was done a long time ago.  Took them until now to stop the extradition.
There's already a thread about this:
http://www.unexplain...topic=235972=

[stevemagegod]

synchronomy, on 17 October 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

His hacking was done a long time ago.  Took them until now to stop the extradition.
There's already a thread about this:
http://www.unexplain...topic=235972=

Aww well first time i heard about it

[Wickian]

From what I understand our current cyber security is a joke.  If we went to a full on war with another developed country anything with internet access is going down.

Hopefully they've taken discrete steps to upgrade it big time after this happened and the general public just hasn't been told about it...

[psyche101]

stevemagegod, on 17 October 2012 - 02:27 AM, said:

Aww well first time i heard about it

From the link you provided:

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Nothing much happened in the years since his arrest in 2002 under the Computer Misuse Act - no charges were brought against him in the UK. Then on June 8 this year, he suddenly found himself in front of Bow Street magistrates, the target of extradition proceedings. That's when the panic attacks kicked in again, the horror visions of life in an American jail. He had poked around, he says, but he hadn't broken anything, besides that one inadvertent mistake. He thought he was going to get a year, max. Now they're talking about 70 years.

He is a crook and a petty thief. This is what happens when one breaks the law.
You UFO buffs ought to hate him. He broke and entered, and then when he was caught, obviously he thought "how do I get support, the UFO nuts will fall for it, and there is heaps of them" and any geek knows this. If he really did have the sensitive information he claims to have, so would his ISP, and a dozen servers all over the world, and as the black cards roll up at your doorstep, you would hit "send" and email the information all over the world to every major media outlet with the touch of a button.

I think one has to be somewhat gullible to swallow his story. I doubt he ever was going to America, I think he is just an example to other would be hackers. It's not all that hard to be perfectly honest.

Edited by psyche101, 17 October 2012 - 03:24 AM.

[TheMacGuffin]

Bush was going to have him extradited to the US and sentence him to life imprisonment in some dark dungeon.  Make no mistake about that.

Britain resisted this because the sentence would have been excessive, but this case was never a big priority for Obama.  That was the difference that finally got the guy off the hook.

[TheMacGuffin]

psyche101, on 17 October 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

He is a crook and a petty thief. This is what happens when one breaks the law.


I think one has to be somewhat gullible to swallow his story. I doubt he ever was going to America, I think he is just an example to other would be hackers. It's not all that hard to be perfectly honest.

I rarely say this about you, Psyche, but you got this one really, really, REALLY wrong, about as wrong as could be.

[psyche101]

TheMacGuffin, on 17 October 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:

I rarely say this about you, Psyche, but you got this one really, really, REALLY wrong, about as wrong as could be.

HI McGuffin

I understand why you might support him, but I do understand Information Technology rather well. I go back to the days when Windows was a twinkle in Bill Gates eye and I was using UNIX systems.

And I still do. UNIX is as good as it gets IMHO.

What he says makes no sense at all, it is more than obvious that he is making his story up on the fly. In fact I guarantee he is making it up. There is not a chance in hell that he could have got to all the information he said he would, and not have hundreds of copies ready to save his backside. He claims to be a computer admin, and as such, he also knows that his information is not only easily backed up in a dozen countries, where no US official can touch him, and backups would exist by default, He could have told the press how to get the jump on those who caught him and tell them where to look in his records for it.

Sorry MacGuff, this bloke is absolutely full of it from every angle. He broke the law and picked a soft target to cover his backside for him. I am more sure of this case than any other. Not one thing he has said rings true from an IT perspective.

[psyche101]

TheMacGuffin, on 17 October 2012 - 03:52 AM, said:

Bush was going to have him extradited to the US and sentence him to life imprisonment in some dark dungeon.  Make no mistake about that.

Britain resisted this because the sentence would have been excessive, but this case was never a big priority for Obama.  That was the difference that finally got the guy off the hook.

More people than Bush did not believe him. He went to the European Court of rights in an attempt to stay the extradition, but they also did not feel his case was valid and refused him.


If there was something to his claim, Wikileaks would have exposed it. McKinnon is not a pimple on Assange's behind. Mendax is far superior to McKinnon in every way that matters.


ETA, in fact, there are many groups whom actually know what they are doing that all can do little more than chuckle at McKinnons BS. If you watch the doco "We Are Legion" it might give you an indication of McKinnon's incompetence.

Edited by psyche101, 17 October 2012 - 05:01 AM.

[TheMacGuffin]

psyche101, on 17 October 2012 - 04:57 AM, said:

More people than Bush did not believe him. He went to the European Court of rights in an attempt to stay the extradition, but they also did not feel his case was valid and refused him.

You got this one all wrong, Psyche, I'm sorry, but you just do.  I know something about this from the American side, and I promise you, the Bush administration was going to punish him big time--as an example.  I know this.

Obama did not want to do so and pursued this case with no enthusiasm.  This I do know.

[TheMacGuffin]

psyche101, on 17 October 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

HI McGuffin

Sorry MacGuff, this bloke is absolutely full of it from every angle. He broke the law and picked a soft target to cover his backside for him. I am more sure of this case than any other. Not one thing he has said rings true from an IT perspective.

They were going to ask for life imprisonment, Psyche.  I know this, but I thought the sentence was extreme.  So did many others over here.

[psyche101]

Wickian, on 17 October 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

From what I understand our current cyber security is a joke.  If we went to a full on war with another developed country anything with internet access is going down.

Hopefully they've taken discrete steps to upgrade it big time after this happened and the general public just hasn't been told about it...

The IT "boffins" were using Windows with Terminal Services active, and did not password the admin account.

If these guys did not lose their jobs, that also would be injustice.

[psyche101]

TheMacGuffin, on 17 October 2012 - 05:02 AM, said:

You got this one all wrong, Psyche, I'm sorry, but you just do.  I know something about this from the American side, and I promise you, the Bush administration was going to punish him big time--as an example.  I know this.

Obama did not want to do so and pursued this case with no enthusiasm.  This I do know.

I do however, agree with the bolded. I feel this was the agenda all along.

[psyche101]

TheMacGuffin, on 17 October 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

They were going to ask for life imprisonment, Psyche.  I know this, but I thought the sentence was extreme.  So did many others over here.

I think most of the globe saw it as extreme, but I think that is just because most of the globe is not IT savvy. And I would expect such. Bill Gates took away the need for IT skill. It is akin to wandering into a police station and helping yourself to firearms. One can say "I never intended to use them" but that makes the crime no softer. A crime is a crime, and he broke into places that react to infiltration. If you break and enter, you will be charged, if you break and enter a military installation. it will go harder on you.

I think that the quiet side of how the admins he hacked were not punished also helped the McKinnon support.

I have absolutely no sympathy for criminals. And I know this one was lying about his so called data.

[psyche101]

TheMacGuffin, on 17 October 2012 - 05:02 AM, said:

You got this one all wrong, Psyche, I'm sorry, but you just do.  I know something about this from the American side, and I promise you, the Bush administration was going to punish him big time--as an example.  I know this.

Obama did not want to do so and pursued this case with no enthusiasm.  This I do know.

Yet the European Court of Rights had no time for him as well? Bush has no pull there.

He threatened to commit suicide if he went to an American Jail. That had more to do with the stay of extradition. Because he made the threat, the authorities are now responsible for keeping him alive. His mother stated that his suicide was certain, which contravenes the extradition act. If he does go to America, and he does take his life (as if) then they would be responsible, and are not allowed to take that gamble.

Edited by psyche101, 17 October 2012 - 05:35 AM.