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Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:14 PM

View PostHasina, on 05 February 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:


That's probably where this discussion would digress, since I think humans are just another animal, evolved from the same common ancestor as other primates and from there all life on this planet.

So no, I don't think evil has a name or a face, nor does good. They're illusions in our head, like country borders and the economy, only because we care about them, do they exist.

I think there are those who do evil and are creative in thier excuses for what they do, there are degrees to all things and the farther one goes, to the point of building armies etc, the larger these aspects appear. Every entity has both good and bad within them and with natural inclination will react in a combination of primal instinct and conditioning. There are evils that govern us that we need to be aware of, break away from and fight against.. not evil against evil but love against hate.. most people will need to do this in thier own minds.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:28 PM

View PostHasina, on 05 February 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

That's probably where this discussion would digress, since I think humans are just another animal, evolved from the same common ancestor as other primates and from there all life on this planet.

So no, I don't think evil has a name or a face, nor does good. They're illusions in our head, like country borders and the economy, only because we care about them, do they exist.

The fact that we can create the distinction, be it illusion or not, makes human beings not just another animal.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:54 PM

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The fact that we can create the distinction, be it illusion or not, makes human beings not just another animal.
It makes us an animal that can make distinctions. Kind of like how we're animals that come up with housing, also like ants and termites, or farm, again like ants, even enslave others, oh wait, ants do that too.

What? Could Neanderthals not make that distinction or any other hominid? With some of the burial sites found of Neanderthals, being buried with items, flowers, and the like, would show that these hominids had some otherness to them that just wasn't 'animal' in your view, but human.

Let me ramble a bit. I wonder if other hominids had 'good' and 'evil' categories but in different manners, much like how Hindu see evil and good being two faces of the same coin, you can't have one with out the other, while most Western religions will say 'evil is unnatural, good is... Er... Good!'

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:57 PM

View PostHasina, on 05 February 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

Kind of like how we're animals that come up with housing, also like ants and termites, or farm, again like ants, even enslave others, oh wait, ants do that too.


None of that has anything to do with something human beings created not from nature, but from their own minds. This makes them different in a pretty profound way from the rest of animals. Not that we aren't one; but not 'just another' one. A line in the sand has been well defined. As I would be willing to bet it will be in the future, past us.

As far as that 'otherness' of burial grounds, that's all open to speculation, and you don't know what the meaning of those trinkets could have been. Other animals do the same thing. It doesn't have anything to do with the animal created concepts and philosophy like good and evil. No other animals I know of support those mindsets, except velociraptors.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:14 PM

Don't you think it's time to get back to the OP here you guys? It has to do with the devils tempting people to return to their drug/alcohol use in dreams.


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:16 PM

View Postnotforgotten, on 05 February 2013 - 10:14 PM, said:

Don't you think it's time to get back to the OP here you guys? It has to do with the devils tempting people to return to their drug/alcohol use in dreams.
I'm an alcoholic, and while I do crave the occasional glass of wine (and would then want the bottle), I've never had any dreams centered around being tempted back to it.
Why would the devils want me to drink?

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:23 PM

View PostHasina, on 05 February 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

I'm an alcoholic, and while I do crave the occasional glass of wine (and would then want the bottle), I've never had any dreams centered around being tempted back to it.
Why would the devils want me to drink?

Getting drunk is a sin, an offense against God. Sin separates us from God and leads us to hell. The devils want us in hell. Faith in Jesus leads us to repentance and forgiveness and thus heaven were we will not become an evil spirit in the afterlife.


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:31 PM

View Postnotforgotten, on 05 February 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

Getting drunk is a sin, an offense against God. Sin separates us from God and leads us to hell. The devils want us in hell. Faith in Jesus leads us to repentance and forgiveness and thus heaven were we will not become an evil spirit in the afterlife.
Well, luckily I think the Bible's about as truthful as Grimm's Fairy Tales and teaches just about as many good lessons. Though that's why I like this site, though I may not believe in these things, others will offer up their views and theories behind what I and others see as just chemical reactions in our bodies.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:44 PM

I've seen Jesus in spirit.

Here's the link to that post if you care to read it.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:25 AM

Well, I don't know about demons luring you back into certain habits, but any addictive behavior can be a weak point that evil forces can exploit. Even something like piety can be purverted and turned dark, Salem Witch Trials, the Crusades, the key is to remain strong and balanced in your thinking.  And as for the whole humans are animals, well it's partially true but I still think we are  much more then that. I also believe it is our destiny to destroy the inner ape, and become purely spiritual in nature


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:43 AM

I don't believe that having a dream about alcohol or drugs means the darkness is trying to get you to do it. I don't think dreams should be taken that directly. I believe if you had a dream about drinking or alcohol, I think it could mean several things. One- you are stressed out/worried. Two-you are satisfied with your life/having a good time. Or three- maybe you need an outlet to go to or help you with something but you're not doing anything about it.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:50 PM

These dreams appear to occur at the most opportune times. Like the night before payday. When the drug/alcohol user has access to more drugs or alchohol. This is not a coincident. It's all part of the devils master plan to get people to return to their usage.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:52 PM

View Postnotforgotten, on 06 February 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

These dreams appear to occur at the most opportune times. Like the night before payday. When the drug/alcohol user has access to more drugs or alchohol. This is not a coincident. It's all part of the devils master plan to get people to return to their usage.
Uh-oh, the Devil must be an accountant then.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:23 PM

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Uh-oh, the Devil must be an accountant then.

The angels, fallen and otherwise are far more intelligent than we are.

By the way, the fallen angels that orchestrate these dreams go unseen. It's their powers that are witnessed in these dreams and they usually use the dead, hence "shackled to the devil."


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:40 PM

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The angels, fallen and otherwise are far more intelligent than we are.

By the way, the fallen angels that orchestrate these dreams go unseen. It's their powers that are witnessed in these dreams and they usually use the dead, hence "shackled to the devil."
Well, of course, this is a well known fact to everyone. People don't need AA or detox or any of that noise, right? Just get them to a church, pronto! Exercise them demons, hold onto that cross, and all your problems will go away~ Jesus be praised! -sarcasm-

Do you have proof that addictions are cased by evil forces rather then chemical reactions and genetics?

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