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Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]


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#76    Abramelin

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 07:04 AM

View PostOtharus, on 18 May 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Very well possible.
Wishing someone 'heil', or 'behoud' (as in behouden vaart) is virtually the same.

No way.

It is used as in 'to hold on to something', or 'to keep'.

It is not the same.


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Posted 19 May 2012 - 07:04 AM

In thinking more about FLÍ (= to flee, escape, flood), I realised something funny.

A relation between the Dutch words 'fluiten' (to whistle, flute) and the pompous word for to fart, 'flatuleren' (from Latin 'flatus' = wind, fart).


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Posted 19 May 2012 - 07:05 AM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 18 May 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

The word is Hellinggar and linga is in the Frisian Dictionary - hard to find the meaning but in English, linger means hang out or even stay around - so hel-linggars - would be hill lingerers - people who lingered (lived, stayed) in the hills.

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Because of Ny-Hellenia

A little essay (what to prove :-) ?)
A-tribute  to the word Hel.
The cradle of civilisation is said to be Hellas: Hel-As (Helaas! Alas!)

AM 2550:

This is the period where the Greec civilisation took cradle.
Though her beginning is fabulous, not knowing their own true origine.
This is even said by the most reliable source Diodorus Siculus.
Even Plinius and Cicero did not believe what is generally said about the Greek origine.
“Omnis Graecia fabulositas sicut”

Schrieck is willing to help a bit in clearing up this age-old misunderstanding :-)

Pindarus says as follows: For a right understanding, only 3 words are needed.

We will do the same, and with many words that follow, we will disprove the many and blunt fairy tales.
We will even prove that the Greeck names are of the origine of the first Skythen, whom they have always known as their closest neighbours.

HEL-AS: Decline (lean) – Water

HELLES-PONTUS: ‘t gat (ga-uit), het ver-bond (want ver-bind), the bond en the pont between upper and lower sea.  
Sint-Joris Arm by the Belgen, HEL-ES-BONT by the Skythen who lived their since early time.
As and Es are early names for water.  Mar-es is the big sea (connected is Moer-As).
Amasia is AM-AS: living at the water (Amasones -> Am As Wonen)

… end the list cotinues for pages untill the last letter of the Alfabet :-)

Concerning Helena: In is of course In :-)

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 07:08 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 19 May 2012 - 07:04 AM, said:

It is not the same.
But ofcourse the words are related.

"Houd je taai"
"Behouden vaart"

Held is also past tense to to hold.


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Posted 19 May 2012 - 07:24 AM

View PostOtharus, on 19 May 2012 - 07:08 AM, said:

But ofcourse the words are related.

"Houd je taai"
"Behouden vaart"

Held is also past tense to to hold.

It means nothing but 'be safe'.

What has that got to do with anything 'holy'?

I will bet someone will come up with 'holt' or 'wood' soon.

Trees being sacred and all that.
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Edited by Abramelin, 19 May 2012 - 07:25 AM.


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Posted 19 May 2012 - 07:40 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 19 May 2012 - 07:24 AM, said:

What has that got to do with anything 'holy'?
The dutch word is HEILIG.
HELD is used as a benediction in the OLB, like "hail", "heil", "health", "behoud".
Etcetera.
It couldn't be more obvious.
What you should do is browse all different uses in OLB of HELD, HALD and HOLD (control F).

Edited by Otharus, 19 May 2012 - 07:45 AM.


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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:11 AM

View PostOtharus, on 19 May 2012 - 07:40 AM, said:

The dutch word is HEILIG.
HELD is used as a benediction in the OLB, like "hail", "heil", "health", "behoud".
Etcetera.
It couldn't be more obvious.
What you should do is browse all different uses in OLB of HELD, HALD and HOLD (control F).

I did, and I used my Google Toolbar which is even more easy to use: it highlights every HELD, HOLD and HALD.

And everytime it has to do with 'keeping' or 'holding' something.


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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:29 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 19 May 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

And everytime it has to do with 'keeping' or 'holding' something.
How would you translate these fragments then?

HELD BÉID THA FRYA
HJRA HELD.DRVNK BJADA
FOR HJARA AJNE HELD
HELD. ENDE FON ’T BOK.
ALLE GOD MINNANDA FRYAS BERN SY HELD
ALLE AFTA FRYAS HELD
etcetera.

Are you suggesting there is no relation between Heil! (common benediction before 1945) and heilig?

Edited by Otharus, 19 May 2012 - 08:29 AM.


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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:41 AM

Not that I don't appreciate the linguistic argument being played out in this thread (and it's predecessor), but I have to ask whether there is any archaeology that supports the OLB being factual?

After all, it is via archaeological support that we validate the accuracy and factual nature of other allegedly ancient tomes.

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:49 AM

View PostOtharus, on 19 May 2012 - 08:29 AM, said:

How would you translate these fragments then?

HELD BÉID THA FRYA
HJRA HELD.DRVNK BJADA
FOR HJARA AJNE HELD
HELD. ENDE FON ’T BOK.
ALLE GOD MINNANDA FRYAS BERN SY HELD
ALLE AFTA FRYAS HELD
etcetera.

Are you suggesting there is no relation between Heil! (common benediction before 1945) and heilig?


HJRA HELD.DRVNK BJADA
2. Allera mannalik mêi-t wif sinra kêsa frêja aend ek toghater mêi efter hjra helddrvnk bjada thêr hju minth.
2. Every man may seek the wife of his choice, and every woman may bestow her hand on him whom she loves.

FOR HJARA AJNE HELD
To hinkande vr byde syda, to mâlande her vm sêda ner vm plêga, hit ne sy that et wêre for hjara ajne held.
wavering between the two parties, paying no regard to laws or customs except where they suited their own interests.

ALLE AFTA FRYAS HELD
All legitimate Fryans, praise.

ALLE GOD MINNANDA FRYAS BERN SY HELD -
all go(e)d minnende kinderen van Frya, hulde
all go(o)d loving children of Frya, praise

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Edited by Abramelin, 19 May 2012 - 08:50 AM.


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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:51 AM

View PostLeonardo, on 19 May 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

... whether there is any archaeology that supports the OLB being factual?
There is no good evidence against the manuscript's authenticity.
So if it would indeed be a 13th century copy (or a copy there-of), it is most significant.
If it was fake (19th century concoction) this should be really easy to prove.
That there still is no good proof for that, says enough.
And that people did not want to accept it as authentic is understandable, because it could create cultural (political) instability and chaos.
The book has anarchistic (and surely anti-religious!) elements.
That explains why the discussion has been highly emotional (and therefore irrational) at times.


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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:51 AM

View PostLeonardo, on 19 May 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

Not that I don't appreciate the linguistic argument being played out in this thread (and it's predecessor), but I have to ask whether there is any archaeology that supports the OLB being factual?

After all, it is via archaeological support that we validate the accuracy and factual nature of other allegedly ancient tomes.

Heh, that is what I have been after for 2 years now.

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:54 AM

Hulde = praise

No relationship with 'holy':

http://www.etymologi...trefwoord/hulde



Heil:
http://www.etymologi.../trefwoord/heil

Heilig:
http://www.etymologi...refwoord/heilig

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Edited by Abramelin, 19 May 2012 - 08:58 AM.


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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:57 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 19 May 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

HJRA HELD.DRVNK BJADA
2. Allera mannalik mêi-t wif sinra kêsa frêja aend ek toghater mêi efter hjra helddrvnk bjada thêr hju minth.
2. Every man may seek the wife of his choice, and every woman may bestow her hand on him whom she loves.
What?!
it simply means "haar heildronk bieden".

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FOR HJARA AJNE HELD
hit ne sy that et wêre for hjara ajne held.
except where they suited their own interests.
voor haar eigen heil/ behoud

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ALLE AFTA FRYAS HELD
All legitimate Fryans, praise.

ALLE GOD MINNANDA FRYAS BERN SY HELD -
all go(e)d minnende kinderen van Frya, hulde
all go(o)d loving children of Frya, praise
... heil/ behouden!

Edited by Otharus, 19 May 2012 - 09:04 AM.


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Posted 19 May 2012 - 09:00 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 19 May 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

Hulde = praise
LOL
a Frisian would never use HULDE in that context because it means "huilde" (cried, wept)





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