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#1471    Stundie

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:41 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 27 March 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Actually, you got caught trying to mislead readers. You made a false claim which is why I posted that photo to expose your misleading attempts.
Why am I trying to mislead readers, you can easily zoom in on any of the photos of WTC2 and you will find that according to the temperature chart which YOU POSTED, shows the source to be White Hot and therefore 1200c or higher.

View Postskyeagle409, on 27 March 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Let's see about that. Molten steel can support a tall building. Ok, I got your number. Another attempt on  your part at deception.
Jesus, it's like you have been hit with the stupid plank.

Just because there is molten steel, doesn't mean the entire building will collapse when there is an over abundance of steel which is not molten...lol

View Postskyeagle409, on 27 March 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

You did have evidence in the first place. No evidence of bombs simply means you have no case.
Sorry but the possibility remains and your panto debunking changes nothing....lol

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:45 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 27 March 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

You got caught again in trying to mislead people. Temperatures are in fact, high enough to melt aluminum as noted in reports that the building began to buckle, which is an indication that temperatures did in fact, exceed the the melting point of aluminum.
And higher than 1200C as been proven with the colour chart YOU POSTED....lol

So therefore if its 1200C or higher, then it could be molten steel seeing as it's much closer match to that of aluminium.

View Postskyeagle409, on 27 March 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

Once again, you have  not been paying attention, so here it is again.


WTC Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks 9/11 "Controlled Demolition" Theory

Indications of the Imminent Collapse
of the World Trade Center Buildings
Disprove Explosives Theory


Scientists investigating the Sept. 11, 2001 collapse of the twin towers said, "the World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground." There would not be telltale signs if it was explosives (Controlled Demolition) that caused the buildings to collapse.

"In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m." New York Daily News reporter Paul Shin wrote in his June 19th, 2004 article 9/11 cops saw collapse coming.


NYC Police Saw Sign of Tower Collapse, Study Says (Update2)

June 18 (Bloomberg) -- Federal engineering investigators studying the destruction of the World Trade Center's twin towers on Sept. 11 said New York Police Department aviation units reported an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed, a signal they were about to fall.

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So once again, you have been proven wrong.
Sorry but why do you keep thinking that these people can tell the telltale signs of building about to collapse.

According to your own logic, only a structural engineer can make that judgement, just like a metallurgist can make the judgement that it was molten steel.

Unless you think the police are now structural engineers? lol

Edited by Stundie, 27 March 2013 - 04:51 PM.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:55 PM

View PostStundie, on 27 March 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

And higher than 1200C as been proven with the colour chart YOU POSTED....

Yes indeed and you have offered no evidence that refutes the evidence.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:56 PM

View PostStundie, on 27 March 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

Sorry but why do you keep thinking that these people can tell the telltale signs of building about to collapse.

Common sense logic says that if a building is buckling, chances are that it is in danger of collapsing. Common sense, you understand, or were you trying to mislead the readers again?!

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:00 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 27 March 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Yes indeed and you have offered no evidence that refutes the evidence.
You have not shown anyone that it was molten aluminium.
  • You have shown us the NIST report which states that it was aluminium mixed with other materials, which when they tried to repeat in the youtube video failed.
  • I have zoomed in the photos you and others have provided to show you on the colour chart you posted that the temperatures were over 1200ct
  • You fail to address any of the point I have mentioned which raise doubt on why the look and behaviour is not consistent with aluminium.
  • You hilariously think the building would have fallen if it was molten steel, which makes absolutely no sense to anyone other than you when there is an entire building whose steel is not molten ready to take the capacity of the load where the molten steel was
Sorry but the temperatures were clearly hot enough at 1200c or higher as it has been shown by the colour chart you have posted. Therefore it is possibly steel.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:01 PM

View PostStundie, on 27 March 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

Sorry but why do you keep thinking that these people can tell the telltale signs of building about to collapse. According to your own logic, only a structural engineer can make that judgement, just like a metallurgist can make the judgement that it was molten steel.

Unless you think the police are now structural engineers? lol

WTC  Buckling


The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the impending collapse of the buildings." They could see that the exterior steel beams of the buildings were bowing. You can see the inward bowing of the steel columns in pictures of both WTC 2, (the first building to collapse) and WTC 1 (the second building to collapse.)
Buckling Steel

Dr. Shyam Sunder, lead investigator for NIST's building and fire safety investigation into the WTC disaster, said, "While the buildings were able to withstand the initial impact of the aircraft, the resulting fires that spread through the towers weakened support columns and floors that had fireproofing dislodged by the impacts. This eventually led to collapse as the perimeter columns were pulled inward by the sagging floors and buckled." "The reason the towers collapsed is because the fireproofing was dislodged," according to Sunder. If the fireproofing had remained in place, Sunder said, the fires would have burned out and moved on without weakening key elements to the point of structural collapse." - Latest Findings From NIST World Trade Center Investigation Released

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:03 PM

View PostStundie, on 27 March 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

You have not shown anyone that it was molten aluminium.

The fact the droplets are silvery, proves beyond any doubt the molten metal was not steel, and that fact proves that you have committed another serious error  of trying to mislead readers.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:04 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 27 March 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

Common sense logic says that if a building is buckling, chances are that it is in danger of collapsing. Common sense, you understand, or were you trying to mislead the readers again?!
Common sense says that if multiple and independent witnesses say that they saw molten steel at various locations and different times, then they saw molten steel, do you understand? Or are you trying to mislead the readers again because you claim to know better. lol

And if a metallurgist is the only person qualified to make the judgement on molten steel. Then by your own logic (which you have insisted is the case!) it would require a structural engineer to make the judgement that a building is n danger of collapsing.

Looks like you don't like being hung by the very logic which you have been applying throughout the thread....lol

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:06 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 27 March 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

WTC  Buckling


The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the impending collapse of the buildings." They could see that the exterior steel beams of the buildings were bowing. You can see the inward bowing of the steel columns in pictures of both WTC 2, (the first building to collapse) and WTC 1 (the second building to collapse.)
Buckling Steel

Dr. Shyam Sunder, lead investigator for NIST's building and fire safety investigation into the WTC disaster, said, "While the buildings were able to withstand the initial impact of the aircraft, the resulting fires that spread through the towers weakened support columns and floors that had fireproofing dislodged by the impacts. This eventually led to collapse as the perimeter columns were pulled inward by the sagging floors and buckled." "The reason the towers collapsed is because the fireproofing was dislodged," according to Sunder. If the fireproofing had remained in place, Sunder said, the fires would have burned out and moved on without weakening key elements to the point of structural collapse." - Latest Findings From NIST World Trade Center Investigation Released
The NYPD aviation unit are not structural engineers, so therefore according by your own logical standard, they are not qualified to make that judgement.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:11 PM

View PostStundie, on 27 March 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

Common sense says that if multiple and independent witnesses say that they saw molten steel at various locations and different times, then they saw molten steel, do you understand? Or are you trying to mislead the readers again because you claim to know better.

Apparently, experts have concluded that the molten flow was aluminum, not steel and look what you posted.

View PostStundie, on 27 March 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

The NYPD aviation unit are not structural engineers, so therefore according by your own logical standard, they are not qualified to make that judgement.

All it took was common sense, and remember, FIREFIGHTERS also confirmed the bucklings.

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Structure Was Buckling Before the Collapse

Police, Firemen and Civilians Saw Warning Signs of Collapse of the Twin Towers on September 11th 2001

Before the collapse of either tower, evidence the structures of the WTC were failing was reported by Police, Firemen and civilians. As already mentioned, flying around outside the WTC, the NYPD helicopters reported "an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed." Inside WTC 1, New York City Fire Department's Assistant Chief Joseph Callan realized the building was in trouble even before the first building, building two, collapsed. Interviewed Nov. 2, 2001, Assistant Chief Callan told New York City Fire Marshal Michael Starace, "Approximately 40 minutes after I arrived in the lobby, I made a decision that the building was no longer safe. And that was based on the conditions in the lobby, large pieces of plaster falling, all the 20 foot high glass panels on the exterior of the lobby were breaking. There was obvious movement of the building, and that was the reason on the handy talky I gave the order for all Fire Department units to leave the north tower. Approximately ten minutes after that, we had a collapse of the south tower, and we were sort of blown up against the wall in the lobby of the north tower, and we gathered together those of us who were still able to."

Callan's warnings about the north tower, WTC 1, reached the Office of Emergency Management, OEM. Other people learned from OEM that the WTC buildings were going to collapse. EMT Richard Zarrillo was told to deliver the message. In an Oct 25, 2001 interview Zarrillo explianed, "I said the buildings are going to collapse; we need to evac everybody out. With a very confused look he said who told you that? I said I was just with John at OEM. OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out. ... I said, listen, I was just at OEM. The message I was given was that the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get our people out. At that moment, this thunderous, rolling roar came down and that's when the building came down, the first tower came down." 9110161.PDF http://nistreview.org/histories.php

At 9:37, a civilian on the 106th floor of the South Tower reported to a 911 operator that a lower floor-the "90-something floor"-was collapsing. - "The 9/11 Commission Report" p304

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Edited by skyeagle409, 27 March 2013 - 05:22 PM.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:24 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 27 March 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

Apparently, experts have concluded that the molten flow was aluminum, not steel and look what you posted.
These same experts that couldn't recreate this magic dayglow molten aluminium...lol

View Postskyeagle409, on 27 March 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

All it took was common sense, and remember, FIREFIGHTERS also confirmed the bucklings.
Fire fighter and others used common sense to determine there was molten steel but you discounted it because fire fighters are not metallurgist.

So therefore...

Fire fighter used common sense to determine there was buckling but you SHOULD discount it because fire fighters are not structural engineers.

Hypocrisy at its finest and all said loudly and proudly but without an ounce of shame...lol

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:25 PM

View PostStundie, on 27 March 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

These same experts that couldn't recreate this magic dayglow molten aluminium...

All it took was common sense to see the droplets are silvery, which debunks your attempt to claim that it was molten steel.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:28 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 27 March 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

All it took was common sense to see the droplets are silvery, which debunks your attempt to claim that it was molten steel.
What silvery droplets are you talking about? :blink:

You keep mentioning them while ignoring the glowing hot metal droplets which are clearly evident in the picture? lol

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:32 PM

View PostStundie, on 27 March 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Fire fighter and others used common sense to determine there was molten steel but you discounted it because fire fighters are not metallurgist.

Aluminum is silver in appearance, which was proven in the video YOU POSTED, and yet, you are trying to claim that identical silvery droplets is steel. Just consider your deception routine exposed once again.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:32 PM

Lets take a look at this video at 13 seconds in.



There is nothing silvery there and it's clearly glowing white hot so it's 1200c or over according to your chart.

Look at how gloopy it is? If it was molten aluminium, then it would be flowing out like water at that temperature considering it's way above the melting point. lol

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