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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:44 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 28 January 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

I understand. Most folks wont accept information that doesnt come from main stream. But the links to monsanto and government are litteraly baffling. Now that 0bama has appointed the top CEO of monsanto to the head of the FDA, you can be sure a man who makes millions anualy from said company is in no way going rock the boat. This requires 2 things, a break away from trusting anyone on the subject, and a little common sence. If a insect would die from eating GM corn, cause it produces internaly its own pestecide(sp?) well,,,,,,,,,,,
I understand that ignorance can induce fear, and do agree that testing should be done to Proove GM foods are safe. But you do know that humans are not insects, right? There are lots of chemicals (poisons) that kill insects and do absolutely nothing to mammals.

If testing shows a GM plant is dangerous, then sure, ban it. But banning GM out of ignorant fear is just so Torch-bearing-mob mentalitiy.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:29 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 28 January 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

Why would he lie? Why do half the posters on these forums lie? Some out of ignorance, some on purpose and some to make a point, but lies get told by the bucketload for lots of reasons.

Should we be Required to go out and verify other's claims?

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:44 PM

I shouldnt be forced to consume chemicals I dont want. Yeah heres looking at you GMO... :-*


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:55 PM

View PostAsteroidX, on 28 January 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

I shouldnt be forced to consume chemicals I dont want. Yeah heres looking at you GMO... :-*

You are not, you are within your perfect right to buy the kind of stuff that you know how, where and with what it is grown. Just when they have to pay $2 for a ear of corn with traceable origin most go to Target Walmart and get the 50 cent special offer. If nobody would buy the stuff nobody would plant it.

ED: looks like I had the wrong company, see below.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:00 PM

I think it was Walmart that started selling GMO ear corn last summer, not Target. It was kind of a to-do since it was the first time it happened.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:03 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 28 January 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

You are not, you are within your perfect right to buy the kind of stuff that you know how, where and with what it is grown. Just when they have to pay $2 for a ear of corn with traceable origin most go to Target and get the 50 cent special offer. If nobody would buy the stuff nobody would plant it.

View Postquestionmark, on 28 January 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

You are not, you are within your perfect right to buy the kind of stuff that you know how, where and with what it is grown. Just when they have to pay $2 for a ear of corn with traceable origin most go to Target and get the 50 cent special offer. If nobody would buy the stuff nobody would plant it.
I love it when the corn is ready for picking...luckily, I can get corn from the field with the farmers permission, :tu:
Got to France and get all the walnuts I need to, with the majors permission. :tu:
But you are so right, I go to the farm shop only because I can, many in the inner cities do not even know what a farm shop looks like, I didn`t til I moved.
But saying that, I do not want all the inner city dwellers moving out here, we just haven`t got the room and what with the population growths, our local farmer can only give away a small amount of corn and I doubt the some of the city dwellers would even know what to do with it if it did not come wrapped in cellophane.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:15 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 28 January 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:



You are not, you are within your perfect right to buy the kind of stuff that you know how, where and with what it is grown. Just when they have to pay $2 for a ear of corn with traceable origin most go to Target Walmart and get the 50 cent special offer. If nobody would buy the stuff nobody would plant it.

ED: looks like I had the wrong company, see below.

That's all fine and dandy, but people should be able to know right on the spot if something is a GMO or not. It should be labeled, should it not?

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:17 PM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 28 January 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

Here's what I do know... my daughter, her boyfriend and their three roommates are all between the ages of 19 and 25. Not a single one of them have health insurance but they all work full time. This could be part of the problem.

That's a fair point..

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:35 AM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 23 January 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

Many old people lived through years of austerity where food was scarce but generally wholesome. This is a perfect formula for a good and healthy long life.


I now believe this is true.. I have seen my great aunt Mary, who was a cook and ran her own bakery.. She cooked only good wholesome meals.. She wouldn't allow any junk over her door..  If she fed you,  (and she did always invite a number of guests to her home every Sunday for a roast dinner).. you got a decent balance of good meat, veg and her soups were  amazing..   This woman  lived until she was nearly 107 years old..  She believed in a good strong diet, but not the junk you get from fast food joints, or any fish and chip shop...If you ever felt down and the flu was coming on, you had one of her soups, it perked you right up..I don't think I ever saw that woman with a cold in my life..

My daughter would get her dad to drive over to Mc Donalds for her happy meal once in a while,  just so she can get a toy from the box.. But I would rather she ate more home cooking..  I try all sorts of good meals to cook..  I make home-made good lean burgers too that I copy from a recipe site... I love making soups and a good balanced meal...Fish, beef, chicken, lamb, pasta, pork and veg dishes. .I will try doing as many as I can ..I cook them and blend them up for my baby boy and he likes them too..
I never would begrudge my family other things they like.. My hubby loves a cold beer with some meals and Becky loves to tuck into a chocolate muffin and some other sweet things, but I do get them to eat good food...

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:11 AM

View Postquestionmark, on 28 January 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

You are not, you are within your perfect right to buy the kind of stuff that you know how, where and with what it is grown. Just when they have to pay $2 for a ear of corn with traceable origin most go to Target Walmart and get the 50 cent special offer. If nobody would buy the stuff nobody would plant it.

ED: looks like I had the wrong company, see below.
The GMO industry has fought tooth and nail to not have to disclose the presence of GMO in everyday products. Unless you hvae access to specialist shops (and lots of money) you do not have access to GMO free foods or the information to choose them.

To me this is horrifically wrong for products which have largely been self certificated as been safe by their producers. There are serious doubts, back by science, as to the long term safety of these products. This is a definiate case of where the lobbying of the Industry has perverted the purposed of the FSO. Should we be surprised when there is a revolving door between the FSO and Monsanto.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:19 AM

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I now believe this is true.. I have seen my great aunt Mary, who was a cook and ran her own bakery.. She cooked only good wholesome meals.. She wouldn't allow any junk over her door..  If she fed you,  (and she did always invite a number of guests to her home every Sunday for a roast dinner).. you got a decent balance of good meat, veg and her soups were  amazing..   This woman  lived until she was nearly 107 years old..  She believed in a good strong diet, but not the junk you get from fast food joints, or any fish and chip shop...If you ever felt down and the flu was coming on, you had one of her soups, it perked you right up..I don't think I ever saw that woman with a cold in my life..

My daughter would get her dad to drive over to Mc Donalds for her happy meal once in a while,  just so she can get a toy from the box.. But I would rather she ate more home cooking..  I try all sorts of good meals to cook..  I make home-made good lean burgers too that I copy from a recipe site... I love making soups and a good balanced meal...Fish, beef, chicken, lamb, pasta, pork and veg dishes. .I will try doing as many as I can ..I cook them and blend them up for my baby boy and he likes them too..
I never would begrudge my family other things they like.. My hubby loves a cold beer with some meals and Becky loves to tuck into a chocolate muffin and some other sweet things, but I do get them to eat good food...

My great grand parents lived on the shores of Lough Erne and mainly ate home grown veg, a bit of meet (mostly white), and fresh fish caught from the lake - topped off with home baked soda bread and home made Jam. They both lived to be over a 100 and that was back in the 70's that they eventually left us.
My grandparents ate more meat and more cakes and werent as health as their parents and both died in their 70's.
My parents are much less healthy with my mum been obsess and having IBS and may Dad having a slow acting cancer. They eat a very unhealthy diet. They will be lucky to make it to their 70's.

This is the decline in health which a changing diet has brought to modern people.

We are reversing the trend and eating a healthy home cooked vegetarian diet, but we have access to far more processed carbohydrates.

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Edited by Br Cornelius, 29 January 2013 - 10:21 AM.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:35 AM

GMO's getting into hydrogenated corn syrup. A product impossible to avoid if you shop in a store at all is a big fear. And labeling would allow choice. So to me that is the acts of the NWO. It is not or will not be isolated to a USA problem.

Labeling would be so simple. They even make McDonalds...of which Moms daughter is fond of there toys disclose the calorie count of each of there menu items now. But yet GMO's are allowed to progress into society until they are fully integrated then we will hear. It is too late to change anything. So sorry we should have labeled. Then the labels will appear and we will see how badly we were dupped. Then the long term side effects will be discovered.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:14 AM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 29 January 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

My great grand parents lived on the shores of Lough Erne and mainly ate home grown veg, a bit of meet (mostly white), and fresh fish caught from the lake - topped off with home baked soda bread and home made Jam. They both lived to be over a 100 and that was back in the 70's that they eventually left us.
My grandparents ate more meat and more cakes and werent as health as their parents and both died in their 70's.
My parents are much less healthy with my mum been obsess and having IBS and may Dad having a slow acting cancer. They eat a very unhealthy diet. They will be lucky to make it to their 70's.

This is the decline in health which a changing diet has brought to modern people.

We are reversing the trend and eating a healthy home cooked vegetarian diet, but we have access to far more processed carbohydrates.

Br Cornelius

When I spoke about my great aunt who lived until she was nearly 107 years old, she died only a few years ago.. She ate cakes and meat along with veg... She baked cakes running her own bakery... She took cod liver oil every day  and took a small dosage of aspirin once or twice a week..  Small dosages of aspirin can prevent heart attacks and other life threatening diseases..  Not everyone back then knew this...

Taking a low dose of aspirin every day can prevent and possibly even treat cancer, fresh evidence suggests.   http://www.bbc.co.uk...health-17443454
Although I would not take it every day, just a low dosage once a week I feel is fine...

Daily aspirin dose 'cuts cancer risk' http://www.telegraph...ancer-risk.html

It also can reduce the risk of heart attacks.. But it is better it take advice for a professional health carer ( your doctor )  as each persons body reacts differently  - http://www.heart.org...714_Article.jsp

You can find many info on line to read up on it and see what you think yourself.. Like I said,  only your doctor  can give the best advice.. I personally wouldn't take it every day , just once a week..I had spoken with my doctor about this and I have had a few clots, so I was advised to take a low dosage every now and again to thin the blood, but told not to over do it.. it can cause harm if you do... It is always best to speak to any doctor....A doctor will inform you that aspirin effects can vary in different people. so it is only wise to check all with a doctor you trust...      In saying that my great aunt would have sworn by it...along with cod liver oil, she took with a table spoon every day.. ( Yuck ) ..Along with lots of water...  Everyone is different...

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:48 PM

For everyone that is mentioning GM foods, everything is genetically modified.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:22 PM

View PostOrcseeker, on 29 January 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

For everyone that is mentioning GM foods, everything is genetically modified.
Splicing genes into organisms when you barely understand how the genetic code works is madness. It has been shown repeatedly that the simplistic notion that a gene maps to a single protein or enzyme is not adequate. Every part of genome has multiple functions which interact with multiple other genes. Tinkering with things you don't understand and then releasing them into the food chain is criminal.

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