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#16    Jackofalltrades

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:34 PM

In my personal opinion I believe that Religion in general is meant to keep people from seeking peace, and to cause a divide, even though some/most religion's/religious people say otherwise

Every religion in some way or another has killed people, some more so than other's

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:14 PM

View PostJackofalltrades, on 23 April 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

In my personal opinion I believe that Religion in general is meant to keep people from seeking peace, and to cause a divide, even though some/most religion's/religious people say otherwise

Every religion in some way or another has killed people, some more so than other's
Do you include the pagan societies of old, or only the Religions of the Book? if that is so, has mankind been warlike and divisive because of religion, or does that have anything to do with it at all?

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:20 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 23 April 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

Do you include the pagan societies of old, or only the Religions of the Book? if that is so, has mankind been warlike and divisive because of religion, or does that have anything to do with it at all?

That is what gets me. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same God, albeit it different ways. Subsects of each religion have people that worship in different ways. Is the way we worship really important enough to kill eachother? I guess, judging by the evidence of centuries, the answer is yes.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 08:16 PM

Thanks for all the input folks!

I did not intend to insult anybody, and I don't think Juan Cole intended that either.  He merely offered a different perspective, and I think it's valid.  I was raised Roman Catholic and served Mass for the last time at age 21.  Since that time I've 'lost my religion.'  I gave my 2 children a catholic education, but neither of them practice.  Most of the rest of my family still practices.

By definition, faith is the opposite of reason, at least as far as dogma and theology and philosophy goes.  That's my objection to it, and the silly superstitions it encourages and practices.

Cole presents historical facts, the biggest being that the King or Queen of England is the de facto and de jeure head of the Anglican Church, or at least was during the 2 big wars in the last century.  So like it or not, some measure of the impetus for the wars had a religious component.

I had never realized that even the Buddhists have gone to war to punish and kill their version of 'infidel'

Loved the Mel Brooks interpretation!  A sense of humor is always good.

The truth is that during the last 40 or 50 years, the only muslim country to invade another was Iraq invading Kuwait, with the urging of the US government.

So of all the deaths in the last century attributed to wars and military aggression, those attributed to muslims is wee tiny.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 08:21 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 23 April 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

I had never realized that even the Buddhists have gone to war to punish and kill their version of 'infidel'

It's happening right now.

http://www.independe...ss-8566460.html

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:12 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 23 April 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:


Loved the Mel Brooks interpretation!  A sense of humor is always good.


Your welcome. Considering the topic I thought it was quite funny...

I was born and raised in the Catholic Church, also. I don't go to church anymore, but my faith is served better AWAY from churches and dogma. I believe in God, and Jesus, but I believe that God is love. No matter what you call him, the "Great Spirit" or Allah, it is the same God. And Jesus told us, to love one another. So I try my VERY best, to do that. Even though it is quite hard!


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:02 AM

Worlds most dangerous affiliation? I'm not concerned with history. I'm concerned with today and the answer is obvious.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:18 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 23 April 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

So of all the deaths in the last century attributed to wars and military aggression, those attributed to muslims is wee tiny.

That's something of a smoke screen. We're in a new century now, and there's no doubt that violence attributed to Islam has increased massively. Whilst history can teach us much, the here and now is what we have to deal with. I'm no fan of christianity and could easily go off on one as to why I consider it abhorrent in many ways - but they've got nothing on the significant number of Muslims who actively engage in, or silently condone, violence against others. There's no comparison. And whilst one could put a good argument together that most Muslims do no behave in this way, it does not cancel the fact that Islam is responsible for a disproportionate amount of religiously motivated violence.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:23 AM

I believe in a god.  It's the same god all religions believe in.  It's that bright object in the sky we all call the Sun.  Without it there would be no life on Earth.  Everything else attributed to a particular religion is circumstance through the ages commonly known as mythology.  That includes the out-dated Holy Bible the weak minded wrap their tiny brains around.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:48 AM

How about this for PC... Islam isn't the world's most dangerous religious affiliation. Islam is the affiliation of the world's most dangerous.

And the affiliation of the largest conglomeration of like minded dangerous and the most centrally controlled and globally connected dangerous. I can't understand why people refuse to admit that. I was watching O'Reilly earlier and he had an official from C.A.I.R on and he refused to admit that and just wanted to say yet again what Islam means to him. All peace and doves of course. CAIR is supposed to be a voice of reason yet he denies such undeniable facts and spins off into the usual drivel. I don't trust CAIR either. They sympathize and likely have their big toe stuck in jihad which of course he tried to sell as a simple struggle. What the hell are they struggling about anymore. They rule their own lands with an iron fist and there's a billion of them. Tired of hearing the oppressed victim card.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:43 AM

i love history .. unfortunatly some like and dislike certain parts of it to suit their little bubble of dreams
basically yes the article is truth .. christanity stand behind the most death toll in mankind
love it or hate it .. it doesn't matter it's history

muslims are just getting the right publicity agents that's why we're famous
anyone interested in getting same amount of public attention we'll give you our agent number and address
which was george the bush and his adminstration .. " i still can't believe he was a president "

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:59 AM

View PostKnight Of Shadows, on 24 April 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

" i still can't believe he was a president "

Twice. Once might have been forgivable as an accident, but it beggars belief that they went and voted him back in again. Goes to show: War.....any war.......for any reason, is good for votes.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:15 AM

View PostArbenol68, on 24 April 2013 - 05:59 AM, said:

Twice. Once might have been forgivable as an accident, but it beggars belief that they went and voted him back in again. Goes to show: War.....any war.......for any reason, is good for votes.
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Edited by Knight Of Shadows, 24 April 2013 - 06:15 AM.

by the name of Allah the Gracious the Merciful
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And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 08:25 AM

View Postand then, on 23 April 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

What does it matter what anyone says, Babe?  The piece is obviously designed to inflame and cause argument.  If it is the belief of a person that Islam is no worse than other religions for causing death and mayhem then I think they are seriously deluded.  So much so that they refuse to accept the evidence of their senses.  To argue that Christianity is the cause of most of the bloodshed in the world and that Islam is mild by comparison is similarly delusional.  The author stacks the deck - he even equates religion and nationalism.  Bottom line is people have aligned themselves along political seams in this issue - as in most these days.  Ignoring Islam is a good way to be engulfed by it.

Beautifully said. I applaud this post.

I have a sneaky suspicion that BR's agenda is to make out that all Muslims are peace loving and could not have carried out 911.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 08:27 AM

View Postkeithisco, on 23 April 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

And Hitler enjoyed the support of The Vatican

How do you explain this then?

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Colonel Rhuairidh is on the money. Genocidal manics tend to go with whatever gives them an advantage.

Edited by psyche101, 24 April 2013 - 08:30 AM.

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