Beggars Posted October 17, 2005 #1 Share Posted October 17, 2005 has anyone here ever spoke to the devil or seen him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelekiah Posted October 17, 2005 #2 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Yes, and his true name is anukasil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beggars Posted October 17, 2005 Author #3 Share Posted October 17, 2005 (edited) lol,whats anukasil?other than the guy on UM Edited October 17, 2005 by Juno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr.vort Posted October 17, 2005 #4 Share Posted October 17, 2005 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelekiah Posted October 17, 2005 #5 Share Posted October 17, 2005 (I will leave this thread to those who have) Do you believe the devil exists? Is that the purpose of the thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr.vort Posted October 18, 2005 #6 Share Posted October 18, 2005 (I will leave this thread to those who have) Do you believe the devil exists? Is that the purpose of the thread? I dont...BWAHAHA I really dont though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XNavyGunner Posted October 18, 2005 #7 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Yes, it's my mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beggars Posted October 18, 2005 Author #8 Share Posted October 18, 2005 well if you've seen him then you must believe,if you haven't then to you i guess this thread doesn't mean anything,but i'm talking about if he exists,do you you believe he exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr.vort Posted October 18, 2005 #9 Share Posted October 18, 2005 (edited) In reply to #7 No cause THIS is... its the blue one.. I'm really very sorry if this offends you (which it probably does) Edited October 18, 2005 by Mr.vort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XNavyGunner Posted October 18, 2005 #10 Share Posted October 18, 2005 In reply to #7 No cause THIS is... its the blue one.. I'm really very sorry if this offends you (which it probably does) Where did you get my mother's pic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr.vort Posted October 18, 2005 #11 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Where did you get my mother's pic? She gave it to me when my heart stopped and said whenever you are about to do something bad look at it and remember what will happen when you die.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kismit Posted October 18, 2005 #12 Share Posted October 18, 2005 (edited) Is this thread actualy going somewhere? Edited October 18, 2005 by Kismit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incubus420 Posted October 18, 2005 #13 Share Posted October 18, 2005 which one are you talking about? satan or lucifer? they are two different distinct entities. but no, i haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thyrsos Posted October 18, 2005 #14 Share Posted October 18, 2005 which one are you talking about? satan or lucifer? they are two different distinct entities. but no, i haven't. Doesn't Satan and Lucifer mean the same thing? Just like Appolyon, Leviathon, "the serpent" and the "dragon" refer to Satan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incubus420 Posted October 18, 2005 #15 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Lucifer The name "Lucifer" means "Light Giver" or "Light Bearer". Light giver referring to the morning or evening star, Venus. Actually the name meant to mean the "Brightest Star". That later was translated to "Eosphorus" (Greek word for Morning Star) and finally to Lucifer. In mythology he is the son of Aurora (the Roman personification of dawn) and the father Ceyx (Greek). Contrary to popular belief, Satan and Lucifer are two separate fallen angels. His banishment was because of his complete egotism and pure malice -- his sin, pride. This then indicates that Lucifer, not Satan was indeed the first angel to have sinned. Lucifer has been equated to Satan due to the misreading of the passage Isaiah 14:12 that was applied to the King of Babylon -- ..."How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! ... First concept of this passage is that is was a mention to a man, a king who ruled the city of Babylon on that time. The second concept is that it was also a reference to Samael, a cosmic being and the Seraphim of Purity, who descended from Heaven to oversee Hell. The Isaiah's passage, as far as it is related to Lucifer (and in this case it is originally to Samael) is actually a lament when the "Son of the Dawn", the brightest Light from Heaven descend from his former position of Seraphim of Purity to rule also over the Underworld (Sheol) and Hell and oversee the punishment of the iniquitous. The fact is that Samael descended, **he did not fall**. The lament is that when a being of his height and light had to descend from his original place in Heaven to work for God in Hell, shook the nations! Samael is also the sovereign of the 5th, 6th and 7th Heavens. The actual name "Devil" was applied to Lucifer when early theologians identified him with the falling star in the passage from Isaiah, hence how Satan and Lucifer started to become interchangeable. We must point out here that writers of that time, did not know of fallen angels yet, through some passages point to the behavior of angels as less than "holly" from time to time throughout the Old Testament. Lucifer was a "great" Archangel, Prince, and the anointed Cherub (7th Dimension - Cherubim). Ever after his fall he still seems to retain some of his power and ancient title. There are many different variations of stories and legends on Lucifer. WHO IS HE? Is Lucifer the opposite of God? Lucifer cannot be God's opposite because he was created by God. Lucifer is the opposite of Michael. (the Head Archangel) Satan Satan's name is believed to originate from the term satan which connotes the idea of opposition and adversary. Before his fall, it's believed that he was one of the Ruling Prince's of the Celestial Orders (specifically Seraphim, Cherubim, Powers, and Archangels), chief of the Seraphim and Head of the Order of Virtues. St. Thomas Aquinas had a different important point on this matter, he believed that Satan was a Cherubim more than anything else... More about this subject read in the chapter: Why they Chose to Fall? Instead of being depicted as a six winged Seraphim, he was shown as having twelve wings. It has also been written by theologians that Satan was created on the 6th day of Creation. Representing more of an abstract entity than an evil one. He was in charge of testing "humans integrity", though God had the power to set limits on what Satan could and could not do. The traditional theory is that Satan was the angel that betrayed and then led the revolt against God. It boils down to Satan that he was very jealous of the love that God felt towards Adam. Either by transforming into a snake or just using the snake as a tool, Satan tempted Eve with the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. By 3rd century A.D. it was fully established by the Christian philosopher Origenis the association between the snake and Satan. In following centuries, the snake has been believed to be the incarnation of Satan. God then banished Satan from the Heavens... or did he? He banished him to Earth, but the working theory is that Hell is actually located within the Northern boundaries of the 3rd Heaven. Within the 2nd Heaven the fallen angels are imprisoned awaiting final judgment in complete darkness. So it's here that Satan walks between Heaven and Earth. Primary staying here on Earth, seeking to destroy the lives of human beings and to keep them separated from God. Here is when Satan is now known by his other name, the Devil. SOURCE: "The Fallen Archangel" http://www.steliart.com/angelology_fallen_archangel.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thyrsos Posted October 18, 2005 #16 Share Posted October 18, 2005 (edited) Thanks man! That got rid of a few questions i had at the back of my head for a long time. Edited October 18, 2005 by Thyrsos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incubus420 Posted October 18, 2005 #17 Share Posted October 18, 2005 No problem. That whole website has a TON of information too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoLLiZ Posted October 18, 2005 #18 Share Posted October 18, 2005 i'm pretty sure one of my ex girlfriends was the devil.... either that or she was just psycho. either one would be a good explanation. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teapot2432 Posted October 18, 2005 #19 Share Posted October 18, 2005 In my opinion we all have a little devil in us. It just depends on if our spirits and our will power are strong enough to keep it from manifesting. That is how I look at the whole concept that we are not perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSOURCE Posted October 18, 2005 #20 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Oh, how I can have fun with this thread. But I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmm Posted October 19, 2005 #21 Share Posted October 19, 2005 So, I don't get it, is the angels that rebelled and warred against God a different group from those that got busy with the women? The timetable seems a bit off if they are the same group. There were only 2 people on the earth when Satan tricked Eve, but the earth was populated by nubile chicks when the fallen went on a binge. Can anyone clear this up for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The bogle Posted October 19, 2005 #22 Share Posted October 19, 2005 From what I have gathered people often see the devil when drugged up or on alcohol. Whether or not what they see is real is questionable. In one of Tupac's songs he says; 'swor I saw the devil in my empty glass of Henessey.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelekiah Posted October 19, 2005 #23 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Ah, but you are forgetting one thing. He "SWOR" he saw the devil. Did he really see the devil though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funi Posted October 19, 2005 #24 Share Posted October 19, 2005 There's no devil. It's a character made to scare people, and make 'em do good deeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codenamecloud Posted October 19, 2005 #25 Share Posted October 19, 2005 so let me see if i got this right. is the devil not the same as lucifer or satan. just another name for him. and if that is the case is there really a god. because if there is no satan then there can not be a god. the balance between good and evil would be thrown off. by you saying there is no devil you are saying there is no evil in the world. and that is by far incorrect. but this only matters if satan-lucifer is the same person as the devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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