rajeev shagun, on 18 June 2010 - 08:53 AM, said:
Hello 4th time-
First we talk about the big piece of foam- The longer piece of insulation foam which came off from shuttle’s liquid fuel tank during lift-off ,Yes I have seen it on that day of launch 16 Jan 2003 (and I am sure thousands of other people must had seen it that day on Indian national TV “DOORDARSHAN” in the news that day)
I am 100%-100%-100% sure I saw it and heard the comment on it two times, if you don’t believe me then take me to lie detector machine and see what do you find or you can take me to front of firing-squad and aim the guns on my head, my answer will be the same!
I ask you again HAVE YOU SEEN THE LAUNCH OF COLUMBIA THAT DAY ON TV ? but none of you respond for this question, why do you avoid to answering this question ,please answer me!
I am not referring to the dramatization part of NASA’s series WHEN WE LEFT THE EARTH what I am talking about when they show Rick husband and his crew are taking their seats on cockpit and then they show the shuttle from media angel the angel of camera I have been talking about,then they show shuttle’s engines bells and then further solid booster’s explosive bolts explosion and final lift off now if you watch it after 14-15 seconds when they show footage from camera which was mounted under right wing may be on tank, facing towards sky- now you see a big jerk which shock whole wings and you do hear clearly the sound of strike or bang .i attached the pictures of thease video frames…one picture before the jerk and one during the jerk you see strange glow or light around the left wing’s area and hear the loud sound of some thing.
Please don’t say this footage is from different flight,If you say so then why they need to replace the original flight lift-off footage and use other flight’s lift-off footage stead??? Think about it with open mind please.
Ok, look...I'm about to show how incorrect you are.
I know what you're talking about. I also know you say you saw a big chunk of something hit the orbiter, and a sound.
You didn't see, or hear any such thing (those videos have no sound recording capability). I'm going to tell you what you saw. As to what you heard, you're imagining something...
First of all, I'm going to tell you that
you are indeed looking at film from ANOTHER SHUTTLE FLIGHT. You're looking at video from the aft right SRM camera of another mission, which was used here to dramatize the launch of Columbia with some more recent views from flights that had them. It's a typical journalistic device when making documentary films.
I will prove that to you below. Further, the film shown in the production is not synched to the actual timeline...another journalistic license item...
But for now, I will tell you what you saw in that sequence.
You saw the shock wave come over the orbiter as it broke the sound barrier (the vapor cone enveloping the orbiter's forward fuselage is the hint here). You did not see any debris. You saw something typical on many shuttle flight (and many prior to the Shuttle). This typically occurs between 30 and 40 seconds into the flight, not at 14 to 15 seconds (which is further proof that the video representation shown are not STS-107s).
Now:
The view that you were looking at of the tower clear segment (the right wing) is from an aft looking SRM camera. You will note that the vehicle enters its roll program (to position the vehicle for pitch onto the propweer inclination for the orbit planned), and you see it rolling
left. Just look at it...closely.
The proof of my contention is this:
COLUMBIA, ON THE STS-107 MISSION...ROLLED
RIGHT.
Case closed. It's from another flight.
Knowledgeable people have told tou there were no such views on STS-107.
I know you asked not to be told this footage was from a different flight.
Unfortunately, it's obvious that it was...for reasons explained.
You also keep asking if we saw the launch on TV.
I already told you I saw the launch. I saw it from every camera angle NASA has.
There was no huge piece of debris that struck her at liftoff...or any time until 81.6 seconds into the flight, and no one could see that when it happened.
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As Mr flyingSwan said “The external camera first flew on STS-112 in November 2002 few months before Columbia yahh…you are right Columbia flew 16 Jan 2003 and on this series WHEN WE LEFT THE EARTH they show these camera’s footage in Columbia’s lift-off.
No, as you saw above, the camera views are from a different mission. STS-107 had no such views.
And even if it did...those views are never seen live. They are only processed days after launch when the SRMs get back to the Cape.
And, we would have known long before de-orbit that we had a serious crisis and everything would have changed in a heartbeat. No one knew the extent of the damage, because there were no such views to be seen.
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Mr Agent said “they too need to prove their claim with hard evidence”…Does They mean NASA here ?
No. It means you.
And you can't do that, because you are mistaken in this matter.
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Mr Mid asked me what my position is, do you mean my profession and occupation?! Can I kindly ask yours before ?
No, you may not ask.
I meant WHAT IS YOUR POINT HERE IN BRINGING UP ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS ABOUT APOLLO?
We already can clearly see that you're mistaken about STS-107.
What's Apollo have to do with it?
That's what I clearly meant.
Care to answer?
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I am again here to find out facts no matter you dig and find them or I dig and find them.
Well, OK.
I, and others did provide you with the facts.
You should have found them by now.
They've been provided to you repeatedly.
Above, you have clear proof that you are mistaken about what you contend...
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